On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Tom Wijsman <tom...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 20:57:15 +0300 > Alon Bar-Lev <alo...@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> > Stability is about the quality of the ebuilds and the user >> > experience in general. It is not a statement that all Gentoo >> > developers think that the package is useful. Many would say that >> > nobody should be using MySQL/MariaDB for production work, but that >> > has nothing to do with its stability as a package either. >> >> This is not entirely correct. >> >> If from now on, a bug with systemd of new version of a package blocks >> that package stabilization, it means that all developers must support >> systemd. > > This is not entirely correct either. > > Not necessarily, one can opt to mask this combination and stabilize > this combination later by removing the mask; it's an implementation > detail, but certainly there's no need to imply that they must. > > Another example is that when you add a package to the tree, you are not > required to initially commit both an OpenRC unit and systemd service > file; you are suggested to provide them for the convenience of the > user, if you don't know systemd service files then you aren't obligated > to support them as far as I am aware of. There are people that can help > you in supporting them as well as following up on their bugs; and if > you wonder, the ebuild change to support a systemd service is trivial.
1. There is huge difference between adding a new package that lacks feature and maintaining existing features. 2. When people say that something is trivial, my immediate reaction is fear. systemd is far from being trivial, but let's don't get into that one again. > >> So having systemd stable is a decision that should be made by >> the entire community, and have huge overhead on us all. > > systemd is already stable, it has not found to be an huge overhead; > whether it should have been a decision made by the entire community, I > doubt it, it neither seems to show any problematic wide spread problems. > >> So apart of the politic message, there are implications of maintenance >> efforts, stabilization efforts. > > Agreed; though, they are quite small and shouldn't be a bother. It's > worth doing these small implications to provide choice to our users... > >> I appreciate the discussion at debian, it is not wise to support [I am >> adding: at stable] more than one solution for layout. > > Can you share the link? I'm yet to see good reasoning why it's not wise. Latest[1], you can search for "debian openrc" for more. [1] http://www.marshut.com/rnvrp/survey-answers-part-3-systemd-is-not-portable-and-what-this-means-for-our-ports.html > -- > With kind regards, > > Tom Wijsman (TomWij) > Gentoo Developer > > E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org > GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D > GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D
