On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:38:55 +0300 Alon Bar-Lev <alo...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Tom Wijsman <tom...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > Not necessarily, one can opt to mask this combination and stabilize > > this combination later by removing the mask; it's an implementation > > detail, but certainly there's no need to imply that they must. > > > > Another example is that when you add a package to the tree, you are > > not required to initially commit both an OpenRC unit and systemd > > service file; you are suggested to provide them for the convenience > > of the user, if you don't know systemd service files then you > > aren't obligated to support them as far as I am aware of. There are > > people that can help you in supporting them as well as following up > > on their bugs; and if you wonder, the ebuild change to support a > > systemd service is trivial. > > 1. There is huge difference between adding a new package that lacks > feature and maintaining existing features. True, that's why it's another example; as for my first paragraph, see the mail <20130808204701.3b419e58@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> I just send out titled "Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? (was: ...)" which details that. (By the time of finishing this mail, it appears you've answered already) > 2. When people say that something is trivial, my immediate reaction is > fear. systemd is far from being trivial, but let's don't get into that > one again. systemd's triviality is irrelevant; this is an ebuild change, and I don't see what you have fear of. A good way to deal with fear, is risk analysis; in which of the following fields do you find to be a risk? 1. Known knowns. 2. Unknown knowns. 3. Known unknowns. 4. Unknown unknowns. For what reason do you think that a particular field has a huge risk? What do you anticipate happening? What is the risk worth fearing? > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 20:57:15 +0300 > > Alon Bar-Lev <alo...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > > I appreciate the discussion at debian, it is not wise to support > > > [I am adding: at stable] more than one solution for layout. > > > > Can you share the link? I'm yet to see good reasoning why it's not > > wise. > > Latest[1], you can search for "debian openrc" for more. > > [1] > http://www.marshut.com/rnvrp/survey-answers-part-3-systemd-is-not-portable-and-what-this-means-for-our-ports.html It not being portable indeed implies that it's not supportable on certain architectures, platforms and so on it can't be ported to; but that doesn't imply that we can't support more than one solution for the layout for architectures, platforms and so on where it does work. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D
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