Workspace issues also cuts the other way; when I am handed a machine at work it comes with Java 6 installed. And I have to go out of my way (and now further out of my way) in order to find a Java 5 SDK to compile geotools against.
Truth be told I just run Java 6 now at work; and get yelled at by Andrea one a month for reporting a bug that where I have only tested against an unsupported configuration. So perhaps we could ask a different question: - Can we have Java 6 as a supported configuration? Jody On 05/06/2010, at 3:26 AM, Justin Deoliveira wrote: > These are pretty strong statements. Noone is saying that users should > not use Java 6 or 7 if they choose. Indeed they get the performance > benefits by doing so. > > The decision here is whether moving to Java 6 for development > convenience is worth no longer supporting Java 5. There is nothing > stopping developers from using java 6 as long as they don't use java 6 > language specific features. Which the build server will easily catch. > > So the question becomes are the features and apis of Java 6 compelling > enough to break backwards compatibility? > > > On 10-06-04 10:42 AM, Steve Way wrote: >> I am also a +1 for this. >> >> I think we need to be technology leaders in this area. >> >> Users who have a stable production environment will be sticking with that >> particular version of geotools anyway, and will not constantly upgrade >> (unless bug fix). When a production environment has an upgrade path, they >> will most definitely create a migration study to look into the impacts. >> >> I think it is bad practice to stay with 5, especially seeing as it is EOL >> now, 7 is due out in the foreseeable and will be 2 versions old by then. >> >> After a while, people look at technology and think of it as stale if it has >> not been kept up with the pace. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lim goh [mailto:cl...@student.cs.uwaterloo.ca] >> Sent: 04 June 2010 16:13 >> To: geotools-devel >> Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] Informal poll: how good are we for a switch to >> Java 6 now? >> >> I'm also a +1 just to clarify. >> >> I think IT should upgrade when they should. Not upgrading due to IT >> issues are very sad though definitely understandable. >> >> I'm very sure all of us are essentially saying what Justin said about >> mixed feelings, it is clearly: >> 1. We should upgrade to the new default +1 >> 2. IT still hasn't upgrade our servers to the new default. -1 >> >> So I think although Andrea feels there's not enough enthusiasm among >> developers, we should still do a user poll if possible just to see how >> many -1 are there. (hopefully the -1s can become +1s by their IT >> becoming change-friendly, haha) >> >> 2010/6/4 Andrea Aime<aa...@opengeo.org>: >>> Justin Deoliveira ha scritto: >>>> I have mixed feelings about this one. I definitely agree that it is a >>>> pain to require developers to use java 5 when java 6 is the new default. >>>> >>>> But I also know there exist users that can't make the shift in an >>>> organization because IT requires them to use an older java version. >>>> >>>> All in all I would tend to weigh user concerns higher than developer >>>> ones. It is not like developers are crashing down the door wanting to >>>> contribute to geotools. The higher barrier of entry imo is the >>>> complexity of the codebase, not the version of Java we use. >>>> >>>> All that said I think it would be a good idea to do a poll of the user >>>> community. As well as the user communities of any projects depending on >>>> geotools. I think we did something similar when we switched to java 5. >>> >>> Yep. Just wanted to do a developer pool before going to do a >>> user one... so far not sure a user one is necessary, not enough >>> enthusiasm for a switch to java 6 around here I guess ;-) >>> >>> Although... who knows, maybe a user pool could be interesting anyways >>> (we're curious animals anyways no?) ;-) >>> >>> Cheers >>> Andrea >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andrea Aime >>> OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org >>> Expert service straight from the developers. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate >>> GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. 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