Has anyone compared SDB and google datastore?
On Nov 4, 2:29 pm, "Andrew Badera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or EBS for that matter too (S3, SimpleDB, EBS)
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Andrew Badera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You don't have to use S3 with EC2 ... ... what are you talking about?
>
> > You CAN use S3 ... or SimpleDB ... or any third party storage service ...
>
> > There are plenty of third-party tools (Rightscale comes to mind) that make
> > scaling EC2 a breeze.
>
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> > -http://changeroundup.com/
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> > -http://flipbitsnotburgers.blogspot.com/
> > -http://andrew.badera.us/
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> > - Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera
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> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Arash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> There is a point which you are missing here. Firing up more images in
> >> EC2 does not makes your application scalable. There is lots and lots
> >> of other issues here. With EC2 you have to use S3 etc etc.
> >> there might be some point to consider working with GAE but in short I
> >> think there is much more to do if you want a scalable application in
> >> EC2.
>
> >> On Nov 4, 2:10 pm, sal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > > Of course, you can have someone cook the raw meat to dinner. There's
> >> > > no actual difference in the end.
>
> >> > These were my thoughts too... if its the same difference in the end...
> >> > I'm looking for reasons as to why one would stick with GAE long-term.
>
> >> > > The difficulty to EC2 for small project is the scaling part, you need
> >> > > either buy or write your own management code for an almost real
> >> > > cluster minus hardware. You need to monitor server load, and start new
> >> > > EC2 instance when load gets high and terminate extra unused servers.
> >> > > You need to take care way more possible exceptions then GAE.
>
> >> > It seems there are images you can choose for EC2 which automatically
> >> > load balance/scale when you boot new instances...
>
> >> > > On Nov 4, 1:39 pm, sal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> > > > Point taken, in the scenario that you might have to make your own
> >> > > > image, possibly...
>
> >> > > > But assume that someone signs up for EC2, and just chooses an
> >> existing
> >> > > > image with Python in it. Really there isn't much cooking involved
> >> > > > correct? You should have a working server up pretty quickly...
>
> >> > > > (a few other considerations: within GAE your serverside RAM can be
> >> > > > invalidated at-random, as well as the memcache... and we're limited
> >> to
> >> > > > using a sortof limited Datastore, rather than the full RDBMS you
> >> could
> >> > > > have in an EC2 image) Maybe a bit like a free dinner without a
> >> fork?
> >> > > > =)
>
> >> > > > On Nov 4, 1:19 pm, yejun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> > > > > I feel this comparison is similar to raw meat vs cooked dinner.
>
> >> > > > > On Nov 4, 12:31 pm, sal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > Just curious to hear some opinions on this - especially from
> >> anyone
> >> > > > > > who has experience with Amazon's EC2 as well as GAE.
>
> >> > > > > > I just read a blog saying you can be up and running with EC2's
> >> > > > > > cheapest offering with no upfront cost and 79$ a month. You get
> >> a
> >> > > > > > 'real' virtualized Linux machine with 1.7GB of ram. And by
> >> clicking a
> >> > > > > > button (there are free graphical admin tools now), as many more
> >> > > > > > instances/images as you need will pop up instantly using a
> >> system
> >> > > > > > image that you create to handle whatever load you have. (Your
> >> bill
> >> > > > > > goes just up as you click into more resources).
>
> >> > > > > > There are loads of 'public' images to pick from, some include
> >> Python
> >> > > > > > already. (Others have Java, PHP, etc). By choosing one of these
> >> > > > > > images you'll have Python running, with full root access to a
> >> server
> >> > > > > > online that you can do whatever you like with. I guess
> >> technically,
> >> > > > > > someone could just put the GAE SDK up on an EC2 box, with some
> >> tweaks,
> >> > > > > > and you could almost have your GAE app running there unmodified
> >> as
> >> > > > > > well?
>
> >> > > > > > I'm using GAE because of the zero, upfront cost currently...
> >> this is
> >> > > > > > great for toying around with neat ideas - but for 'real world',
> >> > > > > > demanding applications... you'll eventually have to pay even for
> >> GAE.
> >> > > > > > What do we have offered that something like EC2 doesn't?
>
> >> > > > > > Google has announced another language coming in a few months -
> >> but
> >> > > > > > again EC2 allows to use whichever is installed in your machine
> >> image
> >> > > > > > already - any language you can use in linux I suppose... not
> >> sure if
> >> > > > > > its enough to keep me onboard once my app goes over its quotas
> >> and I
> >> > > > > > have to start to pay for more.
>
> >> > > > > > looking forward to hear thoughts!
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