When you're busy working on something like a modification, it is just simply not possible to always know everything at all times. You can catch bugs at any point in development. Death messages have just recently begun to be a problem because our beta testers (around 60 or so people) have been complaining about the lack there of. I never noticed the death messages not being there, because, well, I work with developer enabled *always* - I just didn't happen to figure out that the death messages did not show up when developer wasn't enabled.
Who would? Not with a mentallity of it working all these months. I did not know that the death messages didn't work until recently. -Sniper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony "omega" Sergi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > First off, i wan't to appologize to you for anything you may have taken > out of my statements as a personal attack on you. That was not my > intention; however, what i said, i stand by 100%, same with what shimms > said. > > I just, really really really get sick and tired of seeing the constant > whining (whether it was intentional or not) coming from peoples > keyboards regarding steam and valve. I'm sick of the constant "wah wah > steam sucks" "wah wah steam is gay" "wah wah valve broke my mod with > steam" "wah wah valve sucks for changing things!" > > it's just, getting so old. > > There comes a point when you just have to say "fine, they've changed > something; is this _really_ a bad thing?" > There hasn't been a single change to HL thus far that tickles me the > wrong way, Infact quite the contrary. The notify thing should have been > obvious if you actually spent any time with steam, as the steam version > of HL has been this way since it was in beta. Thats quite a long time > y'know, and if you were really wanting to support steam, shouldn't you > be aware of changes that have been around for MONTHS? That's where i > stand on that. > > Really though, if you sit down and actually look at it, if you have any > idea what you're doing with this SDK you've had for years, you'd realize > that something like this is so easy to overcome. (the you is > generalized, to anybody that could ever read this.) Instead of getting a > hot head over it, it's far simpler; and better on you if you actually > sit back for five minutes and think about the solutions. You could fix > all that for 3.0 in an hour...tops. but are you willing to? Thats the > issue you have to work out for yourself. > > As i said above; im just getting sick of the constant whining from the > HL and HL Modding community regarding steam, and valves choices > regarding _their game_. > > Everyone who is always bitching/whining about minor things like this > needs to sit back and think for a minute: Would we even be here if it > wasn't for valve, and valve's decisions at all? They chose to support > us. Maybe we should support them and any decision they make whether they > announce it flat out or not. > > > -omega > -- > Blackened Interactive - http://www.blackened-interactive.com > FLF:Defiance - http://www.frontline2.com > Wavelength - http://www.thewavelength.net > > > > Sniper wrote: > > >I never said anything about Valve bowing down to modification developer > >wishes, or for them to add in things that weren't originally there. > > > >I'm asking Valve to make their changes more public next time. It's something > >that I think isn't so amazingly TERRIBLE to ask for. And I know how > >important innovation is, since you wrote a nice big email about how I'm an > >asshole and Omega is right. I'll give you that much. > > > >But the problem is, the function was originally there, now its not, and some > >have been put at a disadvantage. I really don't care about this topic > >anymore, there's nothing I can do at this moment in time and Valve has > >(apparently) shut the book. Won users will continue to see death messages > >for Sven Co-op 3.0, Steam users wont. > > > >For 3.1 perhaps, it'll be added in. Until then, shit happens. > > > >-Sniper > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Shimmins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:42 PM > >Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > > > > > > > > > >>Sniper, > >> > >>This may come as a surprise to you, and may shatter a few of your ideas, > >> > >> > >but > > > > > >>guess what? We are bloody luck to have anything from Valve to make mods > >> > >> > >on. > > > > > >>It's their stuff, they LET us use it. If they want to change it, let them > >>and get over yourself. > >> > >>I hate the mentality nowadays that Valve must bow down to modder's wishes. > >>You have to work around them, let them do what they want to do and live > >> > >> > >with > > > > > >>it. In the end of the day, it's probably for the best anyway. > >> > >>Further, the current death notification is shit. (personal opinion). Why > >>not take this opportunity to make it better? Seriously, small yellow text > >>in the top corners of the screen is getting pretty outdated. Make > >> > >> > >something > > > > > >>sexy, something modern. Why just be another mod that when people see > >> > >> > >screen > > > > > >>shots they say "hey that's obviously Half-Life". Make a mod that when > >>people see screenshots they say "hey what engine is that." It makes your > >>mod stand apart form the others. > >> > >>You'd be surprised how much a person's opinion is based upon aesthetic > >>appeal. And frankly, un-antialiased yellow text isn't sexy. > >> > >>Also don't be such a jack ass to omega, sure he may be a bit abrasive, but > >>he knows his shit. And he now knows your shit. Too bad :/ > >> > >>Michael Shimmins > >>Sesechial Software > >> > >>Phone: +613 9504 3665 > >>Fax: +613 9504 3488 > >>Mobile: 0407 643 414 > >>_______________________________________________________ > >>Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If > >> > >> > >received > > > > > >>in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using > >>attachments, check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, > >>damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or > >>not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files > >> > >> > >our > > > > > >>liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any > >>representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, > >>and not necessarily those of Sesechial Software. > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sniper > >>Sent: Sunday, 21 December 2003 11:03 AM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > >> > >>Well, what if a certain modification didn't rely on death icons? > >>That's true in my case, so being ignorant of the problem doesn't help > >>anyone, smart ass. > >> > >>Now, this doesn't only apply to death messages. A few other things are > >> > >> > >gone > > > > > >>as well, like the "player has joined the game." messages. > >> > >>A modification may also use the print notify function for other > >> > >> > >informative > > > > > >>messages, and now those messages are gone. A feature present for years > >> > >> > >being > > > > > >>removed in a new system like Steam can only ask for problems. > >> > >>This is very upsetting. > >> > >>-Sniper > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Tony "omega" Sergi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:32 PM > >>Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>First off, for me; with developer 1 set, i always see _one_ entry at the > >>>top of the screen in the notify area. > >>>and death messages have always worked (you know, the icons that show x > >>>killed y with whatever gun). > >>>they don't rely on notify at all. sure the text message doesn't show up > >>>on-screen, but why does it _need_ to show up onscreen when the icons are > >>>there? i mean, seriously. > >>> > >>>-omega > >>>-- > >>>Blackened Interactive - http://www.blackened-interactive.com > >>>FLF:Defiance - http://www.frontline2.com > >>>Wavelength - http://www.thewavelength.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Sniper wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>It matters because it works in WON, and works when developer 1 is > >>>> > >>>> > >enabled > > > > > >>in > >> > >> > >>>>Steam. > >>>>TFC also apparently has lost its death messages in Steam. > >>>> > >>>>That doesn't help at all Omega, and printnotify does work just great. I > >>>> > >>>> > >>see > >> > >> > >>>>absolutely no reason why Valve felt like disabling it just for the hell > >>>> > >>>> > >>of > >> > >> > >>>>it if Developer 1 isn't set. > >>>> > >>>>It was also never documented publicly as being "removed" -- that is > >>>>frustrating in itself. > >>>> > >>>>-Sniper > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Tony "omega" Sergi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:38 PM > >>>>Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>why does it matter? just make up your own drawing thing that works > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>better. > >> > >> > >>>>>thats what i ended up doing, provides a much better effect anyway, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >print > > > > > >>>>>notify never worked properly anyway. > >>>>> > >>>>>-omega > >>>>>-- > >>>>>Blackened Interactive - http://www.blackened-interactive.com > >>>>>FLF:Defiance - http://www.frontline2.com > >>>>>Wavelength - http://www.thewavelength.net > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Sniper wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Can I ask why it was removed? It's used in several Half-Life > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>modifications, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>it seems a bit unreasonable to remove it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-Sniper > >>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 4:34 PM > >>>>>>Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>The print notify area has been removed from the HL engine. You will > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>need > >> > >> > >>>>>>>to use one of the other print areas. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sniper > >>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:59 AM > >>>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>Subject: [hlcoders] Deathmessages stopped working in Steam > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >>>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>>>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>>>>>>>Sorry, ignore the last message. I hit the wrong key. Damn it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>case HUD_PRINTNOTIFY: > >>>>>>>>psz[0] = 1; // mark this message to go into the notify buffer > >>>>>>>>sprintf( psz+1, msg_text, sstr1, sstr2, sstr3, sstr4 ); > >>>>>>>>ConsolePrint( ConvertCRtoNL( psz ) ); > >>>>>>>>break; > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>This section of code is now useless. Unless developer 1 is > >>>>>>>>set, Steam will no longer print the message in the upper left > >>>>>>>>corner of the screen. Steam will only print the message into > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >console. > > > > > >>>>>>>>I'm seriously annoyed. I hope this can get fixed. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>-Sniper > >>>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>>archives, please visit: > >>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >archives, > > > > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>please visit: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >archives, > > > > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>please visit: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>please visit: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>> > >>>> > >>please visit: > >> > >> > >>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> > >>> > >>please visit: > >> > >> > >>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>please visit: > >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> > >> > >please visit: > > > > > >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
