what has pissed you off besides the custom list and the matchmaking? I don't 
really see where the "continually twisting" of arms comes in.
 
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:03:30 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Status> > I overreact when 
> I'm frustrated...as I am with Valve. I love their > games but I am getting 
> really tired of hosting servers for their games > when they are continually 
> twisting my arm as an admin to accept things > which make it harder to build 
> a community around those same games. It > just feels like they have forgotten 
> what got them where they are.> > Leonard L. Church wrote:> > So why are you 
> still on this list? Give up already.> >> > Timothy L Havener wrote:> > > >> I 
> had that hope after the custom tab debacle. I now no longer hold onto > >> 
> it. I give up on Valve.> >>> >> [??R] The-/<iller wrote:> >> > >>> Hopefully 
> its only nibbling in ignorance, as we are they're bread and > >>> butter, and 
> hopefully it will be balanced in the end, keep console as > >>> console and 
> PC above it all.> >>>> >>> Timothy L Havener wrote:> >>> > >>> > >>>> Where 
> once Valve was an innovator in the way we play online games they > >>>> have 
> no become a force of complete destruction to the way we play PC > >>>> games. 
> By reverting to a console style server browser they have > >>>> devolved 
> their game into an Idoit's Guide to Online Gaming. This is > >>>> just 
> another move on the chess board to marginalize server admins and > >>>> take 
> complete control of the gaming experience. Anyone who doesn't see > >>>> that 
> is blind. I had a little respect for them left after TF2 and it is > >>>> now 
> gone. Keep pissing off admins, Valve, its always good to bite the > >>>> hand 
> that feeds you. I'm sure those uneducated gamers out there that > >>>> you 
> are catering to will step up to the plate when all of us are gone. > >>>> 
> Good luck with that.> >>>>
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