No, you're not. ics was mistaken.

Also, I see the troll(s) are back. ;)


Dr. McKay
www.doctormckay.com


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Paul <ubyu....@gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought this recent update completely eliminated all HTML MOTD's from
> Quickplay connecting clients, not just for when you connect but also during
> the game (still only plain text but hidden anyway)? Am I wrong in that
> assumption?
>
>
> On 7 November 2013 16:26, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote:
>
>> There has been servers before these adds came an "issue". This change was
>> not aimed against any of us, but the people who set up servers to drain
>> quickplay traffic do get advertisements showing. Correct me if i'm wrong
>> but these advertisement abusers can still open window to the background and
>> display adds there & refresh.
>>
>> So, Valve doesn't want to get in the middle and not give advantage to the
>> people who do this, so they disable motd adds from quickplay users, leaving
>> these plugins that open that crap to background in the game and driving off
>> some people that run servers.
>>
>> So now only servers that do not participate in quickplay can benefit from
>> advertisements on the motd and servers that participate in quickplay can
>> benefit from that adds crap in background window. Who was the real winner
>> here? No one.
>>
>> -ics
>>
>> Doctor McKay kirjoitti:
>>
>>> Nobody forces you to go on servers that have ads. I fail to understand
>>> how the fact that some servers might use advertisements affects you
>>> personally when you can easily ignore them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. McKay
>>> www.doctormckay.com <http://www.doctormckay.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Saint K. <sai...@specialattack.net<mailto:
>>> sai...@specialattack.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Anything they do to battle them ad’s gets my vote. For all I care
>>>     they disable the HTML functionality all together.
>>>
>>>     Back to oldskool community building where one can only survive on
>>>     donations. Donations means your servers are appreciated.
>>>
>>>     Saint K.
>>>
>>>     *From:*hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>     <mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>
>>>     [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>     <mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>] *On Behalf Of *1nsane
>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:38 PM
>>>     *To:* Paul Lewis; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD support
>>>
>>>
>>>     There wasn't much point to running MvM servers before. Even less
>>>     so now it seems.
>>>
>>>     Not like you can make a community around stock MvM.
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Paul <ubyu....@gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:ubyu....@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I imagine many communities will close up on using TF2
>>>         Quickplay, whether they will successfully move to a different
>>>         game or game mode is another question though. I'm switching
>>>         from having 23 Mann vs Machine servers to trying Slender
>>>         Fortress. If servers switch to being non-reliant on Quickplay
>>>         then in my view that's partly good, as Quickplay from day one
>>>         was a bad idea in my opinion. It doesn't promote or offer
>>>         options to join servers which are run in an unofficial way
>>>         (e.g. custom gamemodes or custom maps). In the days of Team
>>>         Fortress Classic players had to use the server browser, and
>>>         those days were better in my view. Custom run servers saw more
>>>         players back then than they typically do in TF2 these days.
>>>
>>>         It's impossible to use the MOTD for even simple images and
>>>         links, so is practically impossible for a community to make
>>>         links to things such as donation pages to help them cover
>>>         costs of their servers. I'm expecting to see the number of
>>>         Quickplay servers drop by a reasonable amount, and possibly
>>>         more non-Quickplay servers to open (custom gamemodes and/or
>>>         custom maps).
>>>
>>>         On 7 November 2013 11:00, Element <elem...@idle.tf
>>>         <mailto:elem...@idle.tf>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             I run a group of servers which are funded from MOTD
>>>             impressions resulting in my small community of players
>>>             being able to play on servers setup the way they like, for
>>>             FREE.
>>>
>>>             My servers are in the quickplay pool to help fill the
>>>             empty spaces for my community members, generating mostly
>>>             full servers consisting of around a 50-50 mix of members
>>>             and quickplay traffic.
>>>
>>>             With my community impressions alone, server costs weren't
>>>             quite being met each month. But when i added them to the
>>>             quickplay pool, i was then able to use the advertising
>>>             revenue to fully pay for my servers.
>>>
>>>             But now this is not the case, thanks to valves latest and
>>>             greatest idea....
>>>
>>>
>>>             I will NOT pay for these servers out of my own pocket, nor
>>>             will i beg for money from my "free" community....
>>>
>>>
>>>             So thanks valve, you successfully killed my community, i
>>>             guess my members will move to some other community... the
>>>             Skial scum maybe?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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