No hypocrisy here. For the server owners/community runners who have put hundreds if not thousands of hours into paying for servers, attracting people who like well-policed and mature communities, all the changes over the past years have been disheartening. We spend all this time that was very worthwhile years ago, then suddenly, all the players are put into thrown up and forgotten valve servers by default. All those people complaining about "no pubs" don't even seem to realize that the server browser exists. They will learn. They think that community servers are only idle/trade servers are have a bunch of gameplay-changing plugins. Are there some? Yes, but certainly not all of them. And, if this change is permanent, more vanilla servers will pop up.
So, instead of Valve using valuable resources on a job that WAS filled by community servers years ago, they are wisely changing it to doing the game-official modes; matchmaking, MvM, etc. They have spent six months working on this update, and they did not make this change lightly I'm sure. They made the decision in this stage of the game to let community servers take the handle again on the pub aspect of the game. I do think they should make sure all the quickplay stuff is sorted out so that people who do it have a good experience, like removing the penalty for leaving casual, and making people get in games in a good time, but it hasn't even been 24 hours. To the server owners, I suggest having your members/regulars who are happy with the change send an email to the TF team showing their gratitude, how they are hopeful for community servers (plus anything else they like about the update). They are unfortunately probably getting inundated with loads of "bring back pubss!1" so it will be nice for them to get some positive feedback. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: > >That's incorrect though, we've been discussing and calling for changes > for years, this is the first time anything positive has gone our way. > > That's exactly my point. When Quick Play came out, you (and by you, I > mean, community server owners in general) bitched and moaned about players > being too stupid to find your servers and it's because of quickplay that > you lost all your traffic. > > I could answer.. There's always a group of people that have a knee-jerk > negative reaction to any kind of change. The wise move for Valve would be > to allow the system to run for awhile to see what it really does to the > overall game's population - it's impossible to gauge what affect this will > have if they waffle back and forth without allowing time for a decent > amount of data. > > to it at that time (and I suspect I did). But I was shouted down and the > complaining continued. > > I just find it funny that when it goes against you, you whine and want it > changed IMMEDIATELY and when it goes in your favor, "Oh.. Let's wait to see > what happens". > > The hypocrites are amusing. > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Rowedahelicon < > theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: > >> That's incorrect though, we've been discussing and calling for changes >> for years, this is the first time anything positive has gone our way. It's >> not a knee-jerk reaction, it's the culmination of constant debating and >> complaining while we've been handed the bad end of every deal ever since >> F2P and Quickplay came into the mix. >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com> >> wrote: >> >>> It really humors me that >>> >>> >There's always a group of people that have a knee-jerk negative >>> reaction to any kind of change. The wise move for Valve would be to allow >>> the system to run for awhile to see what it really does to the overall >>> game's population - it's impossible to gauge what affect this will have if >>> they waffle back and forth without allowing time for a decent amount of >>> data. >>> >>> was the reaction by Valve over the hissy fit the server owners threw >>> when they got taken off something. Amazing how you now agree with that idea >>> when it benefits you. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:49 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> There's always a group of people that have a knee-jerk negative >>>> reaction to any kind of change. The wise move for Valve would be to allow >>>> the system to run for awhile to see what it really does to the overall >>>> game's population - it's impossible to gauge what affect this will have if >>>> they waffle back and forth without allowing time for a decent amount of >>>> data. >>>> >>>> What we're seeing here is the result of training several years worth of >>>> F2P TF2 players into thinking that pubbing in TF2 shouldn't be a >>>> "Competitive" experience, but just a silly, low skilled, pub stomp. >>>> Frankly, I'd be more than happy to see most of those folks screaming to >>>> bring back "silly" TF2 to leave the game for greener pastures. >>>> >>>> As it stands, I think this could strike a good balance: The competitive >>>> matchmaking folks get what they want, and the opportunity once again exists >>>> for Diversity and Community to come back to TF2. >>>> >>>> My only hope is that Valve gives it a real chance to succeed. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Rowedahelicon < >>>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree, as long as there is some time for things to get back to the >>>>> norm then life might be good. A bit of worry, Valve should have given out >>>>> a >>>>> heads up if they wanted people to get stuff hosting. I'm a little worried >>>>> this means they may go back on the plans here and re-implement quickplay. >>>>> Reddit is making me sad honestly, I'm trying not to let it get to me. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Christian Deacon <gamem...@gflclan.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I will admit, there are many servers out there players consider "bad" >>>>>> due to them being filled with MOTD Ads, pay-to-win, etc. Players need to >>>>>> realize the update was just released four hours ago. I believe community >>>>>> servers just need time. Time for good community servers to outrun bad >>>>>> community servers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In the end, I hope Valve continues to let community servers take in >>>>>> population. At least for a month or so to see how it goes (instead of >>>>>> instantly reverting the change). I guess we'll find out more after the >>>>>> maintenance event. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. I re-posted this on the mailing list since the original e-mail >>>>>> is waiting for approval (e-mail body was "too large"). Who knows how long >>>>>> it would take for the message to be approved. 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