> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Baumgart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:42 PM
> To: 'The Horn List'
> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Chinese instruments
> 
> For the record, I'm not optimistic about this situation.  
> That was someone else.  Yes, Chinese manufacturers may soon 
> turn out acceptable school horns, but some will also turn out 
> counterfeit name-brand horns, much as they do with other 
> items.  A seller on eBay will list what looks like an older 
> 8D, complete with a legitimate serial number and Conn 
> engravings, as well as some simulated wear.  A 
> well-intentioned buyer knowing not to buy a "Selman"
> or other well-known crap horn will buy this thinking it's an 
> Elkhart 8D.
> Heck, even the forged serial number checks out.  The buyer 
> gets the horn and it plays sort of OK, and many will be none 
> the wiser until it's time to get a repair done and it's 
> nothing more than a high end Selman, Schmort, Corn, 
> Alexnerdan, Yummyhan or what have you.  Chinese 
> counterfeiters know no bounds when it comes to screwing people.

All counterfeiters know no bounds when it comes to screwing people.

-S- 

 
> John Baumgart
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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du] On Behalf Of Tom Warner
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:40 AM
> To: The Horn List
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Chinese instruments
> 
> 
> On 1 May 2008, at 11:20 pm, John Baumgart wrote:
> 
> > Speaking of Chinese made horns, Kit wrote: "A couple of 
> years in the 
> > future when the manufacturers learn what they're doing, these 
> > instruments may start to become quite acceptable."
> >
> > I agree. I'm one who's actually optimistic about the future 
> of Chinese 
> > instruments.
> 
> It's already happening with other brass instruments.
> 
> Importers are demanding a high level of quality and 
> instruments based on proven designs. One brand is advertising 
> that they've had their lead pipes designed by a well known 
> and respected custom instrument maker.
> 
> The prices are rising with the quality but I've been told 
> that it's still possible to get, for example, a trumpet 
> that's _very_ similar to a Yamaha Xeno for approximately half 
> the price.
> 
> In the Brass Band world, Virtuosi in England are selling what 
> to all intents and purposes are professional quality 
> instruments at student prices.
> 
> It's a growing area and there's no reason it can't happen with horns.
> 
> I'd almost be willing to bet that right now, somewhere out 
> there there is a very well built and good playing Han 8D or 103.
> 
> All the best,
> Tom
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