What a hoot! "No offense intended" then the comment about such a viiew being bigotted.
On 5/2/08, Jeremy Cucco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John- > > No offense intended, but that is a rather myopic view on the subject and > quite biggoted against the Chinese to boot. > > In general, it is Westerners behind the counterfeit products coming out of > China. The Chinese get paid the same to do their work regardless of what > name gets stamped on the final product or whose product theirs visually > imitates. > > There are typically two (gross generalizations follow) types of products > coming from China - those designed and manufactured by the Chinese and then > sold to Westerners and rebranded for their own purposes (such as > entry-level pro audio gear - eg. KEL microphones and SM Pro Audio gear) and > then gear which is designed and labeled by Western companies and then > manufactered by the Chinese. This is often where the trouble comes in - > such as again in the case of pro audio Behringer - a company world renowned > for ripping off others' designs and having cheaper, poor quality versions > made by the Chinese for little money and even less quality. (However, on > the flip side of the coin, some companies have outsourced to China with > great results - such as Quad Loudspeakers and Mojave Audio.) > > In this case, I would comfortably assume that the Chinese companies are > simply being told "build this horn to this specification" and then some > western company (the one that is responsible for the design and sale to > Westerners) slaps a similar appearing name and serial number on it. > > This is so common in the European and American marketplace, it's not even > funny. > > I recently had an opportunity to speak via e-mail with a person who was > inadvertently behind the creation (or build that is) of a fake/fraudulent > replica of the venerable Shure SM57 microphone. He was not aware of the > original 57 and since he doesn't have access to many Western websites, he > wasn't aware that he was creating a fraud copy. > > Just some food for thought. > > Cheers, > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: "John Baumgart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'The Horn List'" <horn@music.memphis.edu> > Sent: 5/2/08 6:41 PM > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Chinese instruments > > For the record, I'm not optimistic about this situation. That was someone > else. Yes, Chinese manufacturers may soon turn out acceptable school horns, > but some will also turn out counterfeit name-brand horns, much as they do > with other items. A seller on eBay will list what looks like an older 8D, > complete with a legitimate serial number and Conn engravings, as well as > some simulated wear. A well-intentioned buyer knowing not to buy a "Selman" > or other well-known crap horn will buy this thinking it's an Elkhart 8D. > Heck, even the forged serial number checks out. The buyer gets the horn and > it plays sort of OK, and many will be none the wiser until it's time to get > a repair done and it's nothing more than a high end Selman, Schmort, Corn, > Alexnerdan, Yummyhan or what have you. Chinese counterfeiters know no > bounds when it comes to screwing people. > > John Baumgart > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Tom Warner > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:40 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Chinese instruments > > > On 1 May 2008, at 11:20 pm, John Baumgart wrote: > > > Speaking of Chinese made horns, Kit wrote: "A couple of years in the > > future > > when the manufacturers learn what they're doing, these instruments > > may start > > to become quite acceptable." > > > > I agree. I'm one who's actually optimistic about the future of Chinese > > instruments. > > It's already happening with other brass instruments. > > Importers are demanding a high level of quality and instruments based > on proven designs. One brand is advertising that they've had their > lead pipes designed by a well known and respected custom instrument > maker. > > The prices are rising with the quality but I've been told that it's > still possible to get, for example, a trumpet that's _very_ similar to > a Yamaha Xeno for approximately half the price. > > In the Brass Band world, Virtuosi in England are selling what to all > intents and purposes are professional quality instruments at student > prices. > > It's a growing area and there's no reason it can't happen with horns. > > I'd almost be willing to bet that right now, somewhere out there there > is a very well built and good playing Han 8D or 103. > > All the best, > Tom > _______________________________________________ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com > > _______________________________________________ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
