You can manually BSF all the way to load point - it was called a Rewind button 
in the olden days :). I think there is a different name on the button nowadays; 
however, I can't be sure because the machine room is over 1000 miles away.

Regards,
Richard Schuh

 -----Original Message-----
From:   The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of 
Brian Nielsen
Sent:   Friday, June 09, 2006 7:11 AM
To:     IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject:        Re: DDR to standard labeled tapes

I know you can do that as a crude FSF file, but you can't BSF without 
CMS.  A CP command to FSF would be much faster and cleaner than multiple =

IPL's.

CP already provides REWIND, so a command to do FSF and BSF isn't much of =
a 
stretch.


Maybe I'll write an IPL'able utility that will issue FSF and BSF commands=
 
to a tape drive.  I'll IPL that whenever I need to re-position my main =

tape drive.  <g>

Brian Nielsen


On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:30:11 -0700, Schuh, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote=
:

>You do not have to use CMS. IPL commands will work just like loading fro=
m 
the HMC. 
>
>IPL 181
>Read VOL1 label; Get a message
>IPL 181
>Read HDR1; Get a message
>IPL 181
>Read HDR2 and get a message
>IPL 181
>Cross the tape mark and get a message
>IPL 181 
>And you are there
>
>If your tape just has a VOL1 without the HDR records, you shorten the =

process by 2 IPL commands.
>
>Regards,
>Richard Schuh
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From:  The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =
 On 
Behalf Of Brian Nielsen
>Sent:  Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:21 PM
>To:    IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
>Subject:       Re: DDR to standard labeled tapes
>
>That was my point, 2nd level you have to use CMS to do the tape 
>poisitoning, there is not a CP command.  If you're logged onto a userid =
=
>
>that doesn't normally have access to CMS (ex. a z/OS guest) there is ext=
r=
>a 
>work to do to get CMS running (such as linking the MAINT 190 disk) just =
t=
>o 
>position the tape.  If the z/OS guest already uses address 190 it's even=
 =
>
>more extra work.  (Not to mention the error messages when you IPL CMS if=
 =
>
>you don't also have a 191 or 19E disk.)
>
>CP provides only a REWIND command.  How hard would a FSF/BSF type comman=
d=
> 
>be?
>
>Brian Nielsen
>
>On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:38:07 -0400, carlos martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>=
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>
>wrote:
>
>>But from second level cms:
>>Tape FSF N
>>CP term con 3270
>>Cp IPL NNNN CL LOADPARM CUU
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On=

>>Behalf Of David Boyes
>>Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:34 PM
>>To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
>>Subject: Re: DDR to standard labeled tapes
>>
>>> How about TAPE FSF   ( VDEV is 181 as a default)
>>
>>TAPE is a CMS command, not a CP command.
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