I think i speak for most people when I say that I have a mail reader rule that directs 
all iMail list messages to a separate folder, sorted by subject then by date, so that 
there's NOT the constant disruption in my actual inbox.  When I am taking a break 
(break?  HA!), I'll pop over to my "iMail folder" and see whazzap.  Easy as pie.

Don't even talk about stuff like the merging of web-based posting methods and email... 
newsfeeds, etc... most of us don't want to play with what's NOT broken, and setting 
those up takes extra time and doesn't seem to be as reliable as a simple list like 
what we've all enjoyed for so long.  More OT... I'd say:

Macromedia has DESTROYED what Allaire built, as far as forums go (and some would 
argue, the product as well to some extent).  Their new web-based forums rarely if ever 
work for me -- I can never find what I am looking for when doing a search (usually 
just get an error), and more than half the time, when trying to post (question OR 
reply), I get a web page failure of some sort... this, after going through the trouble 
of figuring out which of their "topics" to post in (gosh, do the idiots have enough 
categories?), and logging in too.  I gave up on Macromedia's forums altogether, and I 
am no longer a participant.  I used to get a lot of help within the Allaire forums, 
and I was so committed to the product and the company that I used to offer a LOT of 
advice there.  No More.

As a matter of fact, their lack of support and destruction of what Allaire was doing 
(CFMX 6 was a pantload, and 6.1 only marginally better with regards to stability AND  
their initiatives in the Java realm... CFCs are a sorry excuse for OO "classes", and 
lack fundamental aspects required to really make them "object"-able... [heard that the 
next version is better tho...]), has pushed me further towards true OO/open source 
platforms, mainly Java and JSP.  

The CF-Talk list is indeed still very active -- actually, it's always been a little 
TOO active, and I unsubscribed after a short time because there simply WAS too much 
traffic rarely related to what I needed to monitor.  But the final blow was the 
destruction of the fusebox lists... once again, floating me ever closer to getting out 
from under Microsoft, Macromedia, and others and going with Java, JSP and open source 
answers.  Sad indeed.  Quite a few have "revived" fbcommunity and the [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] lists, but as indicated, they lack the "stars" that once drove the lists 
and made them purposeful and useful.

Sorry I've floated off-topic here with my rant :)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New Ipswitch Forums no Imail?
> 
> 
> Eric Shanbrom [Ipswitch] wrote:
> > Things like this are done way above my pay grade....:-)
> 
> So can you tell us whats going on?
> 
> I mentioned earlier that I prefer forums, and I'm just about alone it
> seems. My own thinking is I get literally several hundred daily
> messages.  A forum allows me to better compartmentalize my time; i.e.
> I dedicate a visit to the forum rather than having things pop into my
> inbox every minutte or so and -- since I always peruse an interesting
> thread -- distracting me.  This is a time management issue on my part
> and not the list's fault.
> 
> dependingg on the sofftware you choose, a forum can be posted to via a
> mailing list.  Macromedia does this.
> 
> Which brings me to Marc's point about what happened to the ColdFusion
> support community. A tragedy, that.  Macromedia's support forum is a
> *very* pale shadow of what it once was at Allaire, although I'd argue
> that the CF-Talk list is in pretty good shape, albeit still missing
> some bright stars.
> 
> -- 
> --Matt Robertson--
> MSB Designs, Inc.
> mysecretbase.com
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