Since Matthew mentioned MIA, I suppose I can share this presentation on clausal complements in Middle Indic, which also contains some observations on the use of iti in Sanskrit (and eṉ- and its cognates in Dravidian languages):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6kq9y55x3oj6k8/presentation.pdf?dl=0 This is a talk I gave at Chicago in 2018. The work is still unpublished. Andrew On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:26 PM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY < [email protected]> wrote: > Indology list archive is a valuable repository of knowledge. But the lack > of proper search facility makes the information as good as lost and we have > to repeat questions/discussions that are already in the archive. See > https://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology/2015-July/041594.html. If a > good search feature is enabled, all the past discussions will become > accessible. > > > > Regards, > > Palaniappan > > > > > > *From: *INDOLOGY <[email protected]> on behalf of > Indology List <[email protected]> > *Reply-To: *"George L. HART" <[email protected]> > *Date: *Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:12 PM > *To: *Indology List <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] iti in Sanskrit > > > > V.S. Rajam’s book is an essential one for students of classical Tamil, > covering syntax, meter, morphology, etc. What I meant is that to my > knowledge no one has made a substantial study of every use of eṉ in Sangam > literature. Such a study might include uses of iti in early Sanskrit. For > example, in modern Tamil we often find ēṉ eṉṟāl, “If you ask why,” which > corresponds exactly to Sanskrit "kuta iti cet.” One wonders how old this > usage is in both languages. George Hart > > > > On Nov 12, 2022, at 6:07 PM, rajam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > George Hart said: > > > > /// I am sure many have noted that in Tamil, the word eṉ, which has > equivalents in other Dravidian languages (an in Telugu, for example), is > far more productive than Sanskrit iti. It occurs in various forms — > adjective (eṉṉum), adverb (eṉṟu), noun (eṉpatu), finite verb (e.g. > eṉkiṟārkaḷ), while in Sanskrit iti is only adverbial. It would be > interesting to analyze the uses of eṉ in Sangam literature — I’m not sure > anyone has done this. /// > > > > Just to kindle your memory … > > > > Please look into my book “A Reference Grammar of Classical Tamil Poetry, > V.S. Rajam, American Philosophical Society, 1992” > > > > Thanks and regards, > > V.S. Rajam > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2022, at 12:54 PM, George L. HART via INDOLOGY < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > I am sure many have noted that in Tamil, the word eṉ, which has > equivalents in other Dravidian languages (an in Telugu, for example), is > far more productive than Sanskrit iti. It occurs in various forms — > adjective (eṉṉum), adverb (eṉṟu), noun (eṉpatu), finite verb (e.g. > eṉkiṟārkaḷ), while in Sanskrit iti is only adverbial. It would be > interesting to analyze the uses of eṉ in Sangam literature — I’m not sure > anyone has done this. Of course, the use of this construction could be an > areal phenomenon — it is not necessarily true that its presence in early > Sanskrit is due to Dravidian, though I think it is highly likely, given its > richness in Dravidian languages. George Hart > > > > On Nov 12, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Tieken, H.J.H. (Herman) via INDOLOGY < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > I do not know if the question was about *iti *as an areal phenomenon. If > so, see F.B.J. Kuiper, "The Genesis of a Linguistic Area", IIJ 1968, where, > if I remember well, he compares Skt *iti* with Tamil *eṉṟu*. > > Herman > > > > Herman Tieken > > Stationsweg 58 > > 2515 BP Den Haag > > The Netherlands > > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > > website: hermantieken.com > ------------------------------ > > *Van:* INDOLOGY <[email protected]> namens Madhav > Deshpande via INDOLOGY <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 12 november 2022 17:34 > *Aan:* Olivelle, Joseph P <[email protected]> > *CC:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [INDOLOGY] iti in Sanskrit > > > > If I remember correctly, the possibility of the "iti" constructions being > an areal phenomena have been discussed for many decades. The best person > to provide information regarding this topic may be Hans Hock. I will see if > I can locate any of these older publications. > > > Madhav M. Deshpande > > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India > > > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 6:28 AM Olivelle, Joseph P via INDOLOGY < > [email protected]> wrote: > > See the many explanations of ‘iti’ in Gary Tubb and Emery Boose’s book > “Scholastic Sanskrit”. > > Patrick > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2022, at 8:10 AM, Brendan S. Gillon, Prof. via INDOLOGY < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > I am wondering if any of you know of articles on the use of `iti' in > > Sanskrit. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Brendan > > > > -- > > > > Brendan S. 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