On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Robert Casto <casto.rob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The need and purpose for many of these decisions is to avoid legal trouble. > It is hard to argue with management when lawyers are telling them what they > should do to avoid legal issues. There is no flexibility when decisions are > based on that kind of information. I've known people using Notepad to create > files because they couldn't get permission to install a tool. > So the problem is that they hire people they don't trust. No filter in the world (aside from death) can prevent someone from saying the wrong thing. Sure there's always a need for security, but the solution for most of it is cultural, not technical. If I were a professional carpenter, and I was hired to build a house, and I was forced to work with one arm tied behind my back and a wooden hammer, I simply wouldn't take the job. If I were a doctor, and I was hired to heal someone, and they wanted to force me to use steak knives instead of scalpels, I simply wouldn't take the job. Part of being a professional is having the integrity, to be prepared to walk away when someone wants you to be unprofessional rather than making a poor job. And I truly believe, if your employer treats you with respect for your professionalism, you will also respect your employer. > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Viktor Klang <viktor.kl...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I believe the main problem is that very few have actually taken the time >> to sit down and discuss what the needs are, what the purpose is, how to >> measure if the solution is aligned with the needs and the risks associated >> with strictness vs. nonstrictness. >> >> I fully understand the difficulty in measuring the soft values, but we're >> people, working with other people, and failing to realize that will make for >> very poor understanding of needs, benefits and costs. >> >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Robert Casto <casto.rob...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> You are right but this is a hard sell in many corporations. Many >>> companies do not have the manpower or strong enough IT people to implement >>> different sets of rules and so it is easier to dictate policy and make >>> everyone follow it. >>> >>> Luckily I work somewhere where I can use whatever tool I find best to get >>> the job done. The machine is monitored, updated, scanned, and everything >>> else. But at least I can get the tools I need. I think that is what most >>> developers want. Some flexibility to get the best tool or at least one they >>> are familiar with so they can be productive. Even chefs use many different >>> types of knives to get the job done. You don't just give them a paring knife >>> and tell them to make due. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Kevin Wright < >>> kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is about developer access to machines, not corporate droids in >>>> general. Computers and the internet are very much the tools of our trade, >>>> tools that are blunted and crippled by these security policies. The real >>>> problem is not the policies themselves, but their indiscriminate >>>> application. >>>> >>>> For example, when I was at primary school we had "safe" scissors that >>>> weren't especially sharp and had rounded ends. This made a great deal of >>>> sense, given that children and sharp things are not the best of >>>> combinations; it was policy that these type of scissors were used >>>> throughout >>>> the school. >>>> >>>> However, the blanket ban on sharp objects didn't extend to the kitchens, >>>> because it's accepted that knives are the tools-in-trade for chefs and >>>> cooks. The very attribute that makes a knife dangerous is the same thing >>>> that makes it useful. >>>> >>>> When used at a developer level then computers are the same. Their main >>>> strength lies in broad versatility and a capacity to be true >>>> general-purpose >>>> devices, why should this capability be prevented for professionals? >>>> >>>> >>>> Carried to its illogical conclusion, a policy based on safety to the >>>> exclusion of all else would have us all working on ipads, nothing but jelly >>>> and tapioca in the canteens, and the lawyers driving such policy should be >>>> deprived of their books for risk of paper cuts. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1 March 2010 14:11, Wildam Martin <mwil...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 15:06, Phil <p...@haigh-family.com> wrote: >>>>> > Personally I'm inclined to side with them - non IT-Savvy people do >>>>> > need protecting from themselves (once took a call from somebody >>>>> > complaining he couldn't access the company intranet from his WiFi >>>>> > enabled laptop, turned out he was in his car 20 miles from the >>>>> > network, no 3G data connection or anything - no, really). >>>>> >>>>> What about a 2-day crash-course of general IT knowhow for every new >>>>> employee? >>>>> No technical aid beats good education. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Martin Wildam >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kevin Wright >>>> >>>> mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com >>>> wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com >>>> skype: kev.lee.wright >>>> twitter: @thecoda >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Casto >>> www.IWantFreeShipping.com >>> Find Amazon Filler Items easily! >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Viktor Klang >> | "A complex system that works is invariably >> | found to have evolved from a simple system >> | that worked." - John Gall >> >> Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org >> Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Robert Casto > www.IWantFreeShipping.com > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Viktor Klang | "A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked." - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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