On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Robert Casto <casto.rob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A lack of trust is one part of it, but essentially the company is trying to > protect itself. Even the best employees will make mistakes sometimes. I > think they try to be overly protective though, perhaps with good cause but > it stifles productivity. I tend to work for smaller companies because they > trust their employees more, give them flexibility in the use of tools, and > try not to micromanage their employees. > Mistakes are the natural part of learning. I have committed big mistakes - Once. > > I see the legal issues increasing though. Recent news such as what happened > to Google employees in Italy attest to that. Society is too quick to throw > blame and demand a pound of flesh. There is little tolerance for that fact > that people are human and humans sometimes make mistakes. No one is perfect. > Apologize, fix the issue or make reparations, and then move on. Yes, I share the way you relate to this. > > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Viktor Klang <viktor.kl...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Robert Casto <casto.rob...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> The need and purpose for many of these decisions is to avoid legal >>> trouble. It is hard to argue with management when lawyers are telling them >>> what they should do to avoid legal issues. There is no flexibility when >>> decisions are based on that kind of information. I've known people using >>> Notepad to create files because they couldn't get permission to install a >>> tool. >>> >> >> So the problem is that they hire people they don't trust. >> No filter in the world (aside from death) can prevent someone from saying >> the wrong thing. >> >> Sure there's always a need for security, but the solution for most of it >> is cultural, not technical. >> >> If I were a professional carpenter, and I was hired to build a house, and >> I was forced to work with one arm tied behind my back and a wooden hammer, I >> simply wouldn't take the job. >> If I were a doctor, and I was hired to heal someone, and they wanted to >> force me to use steak knives instead of scalpels, I simply wouldn't take the >> job. >> >> Part of being a professional is having the integrity, to be prepared to >> walk away when someone wants you to be unprofessional rather than making a >> poor job. >> >> And I truly believe, if your employer treats you with respect for your >> professionalism, you will also respect your employer. >> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Viktor Klang <viktor.kl...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I believe the main problem is that very few have actually taken the time >>>> to sit down and discuss what the needs are, what the purpose is, how to >>>> measure if the solution is aligned with the needs and the risks associated >>>> with strictness vs. nonstrictness. >>>> >>>> I fully understand the difficulty in measuring the soft values, but >>>> we're people, working with other people, and failing to realize that will >>>> make for very poor understanding of needs, benefits and costs. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Robert Casto >>>> <casto.rob...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> You are right but this is a hard sell in many corporations. Many >>>>> companies do not have the manpower or strong enough IT people to implement >>>>> different sets of rules and so it is easier to dictate policy and make >>>>> everyone follow it. >>>>> >>>>> Luckily I work somewhere where I can use whatever tool I find best to >>>>> get the job done. The machine is monitored, updated, scanned, and >>>>> everything >>>>> else. But at least I can get the tools I need. I think that is what most >>>>> developers want. Some flexibility to get the best tool or at least one >>>>> they >>>>> are familiar with so they can be productive. Even chefs use many different >>>>> types of knives to get the job done. You don't just give them a paring >>>>> knife >>>>> and tell them to make due. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Kevin Wright < >>>>> kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is about developer access to machines, not corporate droids in >>>>>> general. Computers and the internet are very much the tools of our >>>>>> trade, >>>>>> tools that are blunted and crippled by these security policies. The real >>>>>> problem is not the policies themselves, but their indiscriminate >>>>>> application. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, when I was at primary school we had "safe" scissors that >>>>>> weren't especially sharp and had rounded ends. This made a great deal of >>>>>> sense, given that children and sharp things are not the best of >>>>>> combinations; it was policy that these type of scissors were used >>>>>> throughout >>>>>> the school. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, the blanket ban on sharp objects didn't extend to the >>>>>> kitchens, because it's accepted that knives are the tools-in-trade for >>>>>> chefs >>>>>> and cooks. The very attribute that makes a knife dangerous is the same >>>>>> thing that makes it useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> When used at a developer level then computers are the same. Their >>>>>> main strength lies in broad versatility and a capacity to be true >>>>>> general-purpose devices, why should this capability be prevented for >>>>>> professionals? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Carried to its illogical conclusion, a policy based on safety to the >>>>>> exclusion of all else would have us all working on ipads, nothing but >>>>>> jelly >>>>>> and tapioca in the canteens, and the lawyers driving such policy should >>>>>> be >>>>>> deprived of their books for risk of paper cuts. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 March 2010 14:11, Wildam Martin <mwil...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 15:06, Phil <p...@haigh-family.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > Personally I'm inclined to side with them - non IT-Savvy people do >>>>>>> > need protecting from themselves (once took a call from somebody >>>>>>> > complaining he couldn't access the company intranet from his WiFi >>>>>>> > enabled laptop, turned out he was in his car 20 miles from the >>>>>>> > network, no 3G data connection or anything - no, really). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What about a 2-day crash-course of general IT knowhow for every new >>>>>>> employee? >>>>>>> No technical aid beats good education. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Martin Wildam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Kevin Wright >>>>>> >>>>>> mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com >>>>>> wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com >>>>>> skype: kev.lee.wright >>>>>> twitter: @thecoda >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Robert Casto >>>>> www.IWantFreeShipping.com >>>>> Find Amazon Filler Items easily! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Viktor Klang >>>> | "A complex system that works is invariably >>>> | found to have evolved from a simple system >>>> | that worked." - John Gall >>>> >>>> Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org >>>> Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Casto >>> www.IWantFreeShipping.com >>> Find Amazon Filler Items easily! >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Viktor Klang >> | "A complex system that works is invariably >> | found to have evolved from a simple system >> | that worked." - John Gall >> >> Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org >> Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Robert Casto > www.IWantFreeShipping.com > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Viktor Klang | "A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked." - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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