Hi Gerald, Do, not, press enter on the, Mailing tab!! Just right arrow to it & tab 1 time, & see if that works. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool.
----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Levy To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an example of how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I have been using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word 2007, so I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to the Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings tab, the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are probably others just like it that I am not aware of. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > hello; > what happens if; > 1, you go to the ribbon menu, > > 2, right arrow to mailings tab, > > 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; > > also, have you tried the shortcut, > alt+m+e > so, alt+m=mailings, > e=envelope. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings tab > in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on is > Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing to > press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But > this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press > Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see > the > > juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy > way > > for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment > with > various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find > it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, > did > you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions of > Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only with > the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular > feature like this make any sense? > > Gerald > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> hello; >> >> well; >> if I were wanting to print out an envelope, >> using word 2007, >> >> 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, >> now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, >> envelope. >> now, press enter. >> or, within the document, >> press, >> alt+m+e, >> you don't press enter on the mailings tab, >> however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, >> >> then after going to the menu, >> right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, >> now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. >> I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >> It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus >> are >> >> so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I >> can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the >> Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use >> right >> arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The >> first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to >> tab >> from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the >> Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and >> then >> >> press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically >> appears. >> >> This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the >> Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to >> press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the >> ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus >> for >> Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This >> is >> a whole other ball game altogether. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >>> hello; >>> well here's my take on the ribbons, >>> obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. >>> the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: >>> home, insert, page layout, etc, >>> the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of >>> the >>> tabs. >>> to access the settings, use the tab key, >>> now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, >>> so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, >>> and >>> stay focused on the particular tab title. >>> if you go to the top of the ribbon, >>> now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, >>> page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, >>> word count, >>> spelling and grammar button, >>> etc, >>> also, >>> keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, >>> when you use the applications key in word. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>> Behalf Of jim rawls >>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to >>> me. >>> I just >>> plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to use >>> it. >>> Send >>> it to: >>> jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. >>> Jim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Mike B. >>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> Hi Flor & All, >>> >>> I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little >>> program >>> called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple >>> endeavor! >>> I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & let >>> him >>> >>> make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. >>> Take care. >>> Mike >>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Flor Lynch >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the idea >>> of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages (ctrl+tab) >>> you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same as >>> them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now you >>> have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through their >>> parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or >>> lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not the >>> real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things in >>> the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard them is >>> as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall Excel >>> had plenty of those.) >>> >>> Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated with >>> the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does take >>> longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly used to >>> be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are now >>> more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike B." <mb69ma...@charter.net> >>> To: "Jaws-Users List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM >>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up frustrate >>>> the >>>> hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that explains >>>> the >>>> ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without using >>>> the >>>> Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just can't >>>> get the >>>> hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I >>>> guess >>>> it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would >>>> really >>>> like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them down >>>> in >>>> simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really simple >>>> because >>>> I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons crap! LOL, >>>> hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL >>>> >>>> So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly appreciated. >>>> Thanks much. >>>> Take care. >>>> Mike >>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
