Sure, Israel is a colonial settler state.But dioes this make it a fascist state?
No! And by the way, does it need to be fascist to be smashed? No! My point is
not that Israel as a Zionist state is to be defended in any form -I think it has
to be destroyed - but that suicide bombings against civilian ('soft) targets
play into the hands of the Zionists (suicide m´bombings against military/settler
targets to which Yoshie referrs are a totally different affair, though they
won't liberate Palestine as well. The liberation of Palestine is only possible
on the basis of a socialist revolution in the region. A growing number of
demonstrators in Egypt seem sort to acknowledge this when they chant the slogan
'the way to Al-Quds is over Al-Qahira (Cairo)'.
A.Holberg
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Macdonald Stainsby schrieb:
> Comrades, this is a very very simple question.
>
> To line up Bosnia and Palestine are hilarious, considering that the only media
> in the world that systematically reduces the number of Israeli murders to
> "collateral damage" while only showing rubble in Palestine is the American
> media- even the Europeans have a pretty good idea about what is going on.
> Bosnia
> was the precise opposite- massive media ops, hard work put in to write a story
> that would thereafter write itself...
>
> Israel gets called a "democracy". That's enough to make a sane man cry in
> laughter....
>
> The accusation of anti-semite is becoming quickly like being called a
> terrorist
> now, or a commie in the 50's. It's being used to deliberately tar those who
> are
> critical of Israel as "removed from the pale", etc etc.
>
> I want to know this: do either Anton or Jared call Israel a colonial settler
> regime? Is there any form of resistance in historic Palestine that can survive
> outside of the suicide bombers? Before I tell them they are really bad little
> Arabs, I'd better have a backup plan for them.
>
> Let us notice that the entire point of the Israeli attacks and massacres is
> simple- to eliminate "threats to security". Every single settler- and in many
> cases, civilian- is being used as a physical weapon to eliminate the
> Palestinian
> people once and for all. Every settler colony attacks the impoverished masses
> whose land they sit on by day. They know that they need to be ina permanent
> war
> with the inhabitants until the day they eleiminate Palestine once and for all-
> that's why they build every little settlement on the hills. Easier to shoot
> the
> ants from on high.
>
> Now, the civilians of Israel are putting up with the colonial settler regime
> only feet from their homes, and allowing it on the basis that "it will provide
> security". Well, taking out a tank with real weapons is nearly impossible, but
> attacking the settlers isn't. These settlers are 99% of the time, the most
> scum
> bag, racist (and theocratic!!! "God gave me this land, so I must shoot
> arabs...") people on this planet now. They want nothing less than Eretz Israel
> and they form midnight militias to shoot the peasants in the lowlands. Killing
>
> these people is attacking the very concept of removing the Palestinian people
> from their own land.
>
> The suicide bombers are there, not to help imperialism, but to prove (they
> hope)
> to Israel that they will not force the people to accept the Apartheid
> townships,
> worse than the Bantustan homelands by far!
>
> Secular forces use the suicide bombers now simply because they are something
> that packs a wallop which can never truly be stopped. Let me put it this way:
> If
> you want these people to knock off the suicide bombers, send them
> anti-aircraft
> weapons. Until then, stop Israel as best you can. I, nor anyone else on this
> list, has any real right to demand that these oppressed people come up with a
> revolutionary resumé we like. Living here, that is the height of arrogance.
>
> Hugo Chávez will not be tricked into condemning suicide bombers, since you
> like
> to bring him up. Israel is not quite the 51st state- it's something all
> together
> on its own- but let us be very clear. Israel, as it is currently legally
> constituted, must be destroyed. Then we can have a real peace. There will not
> be
> a peace where a country allows the kind of extremist psychotics that exists
> there: the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan called itself an Islamic state, and
> the state of the Afghan people. They never went so far as to say we are the
> one
> and only state of the Muslims, will pay all Muslims to move here....
>
> My use of cusses is not for lack of argument, but rather cold water. Attacks
> of
> any sort on the Palestinian people at this time make my blood boil.
>
> Should the Warsaw Ghetto strugglers have been constrained by a particular set
> of
> morals to the people there? What if they had been able to kill the German
> elites
> who stole their homes, their businesses, etc.... would that have been
> terrorism
> or resistance?
>
> All the condemnation of "terror" smells like fence sitting to me. I condemn
> the
> existence of a state which is for one people at the expense of antoher, and
> that
> can only exist by making a historic people.... vanish.
>
> Again, what is your option for them in fighting the Zionazis? Delivering
> petitions to the IDF tanks?
>
> Macdonald
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A.Wosni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [L-I] Another War to Stop: Vermonters at the DC Protest on A20
>
>
> > Do you want to tell us that you understand the motives of the suicide
> bombersd
> > or that you think suicide bombing contributes to the liberation of
> Palestine?
> I
> > too understand their motives and feelings, but this is not the issue for
> > Marxists (or rather this is not the main issue). We have to think about what
> we
>
>
>
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