Linux-Misc Digest #734, Volume #24 Tue, 6 Jun 00 23:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: DELL's Linux price is HIGHER than Win98 (Leonard Evens)
Re: How to change drive structures/partitions? (Leonard Evens)
Re: gnome/gdm woes (Leonard Evens)
Re: LILO in partition rather than MBR (Leonard Evens)
Re: On mounting disks (Dances With Crows)
Modem Config. Problem using Kppp (Mink)
Re: I made my swap partition to be 150 MB (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: On mounting disks ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Re: Apache SSI config question (Akira Yamanita)
Re: PostgreSQL vs. MySQL vs. mSQL
for help about allow anonymous user to upload ("bentium")
Re: Resetting Video Card from console (John Scudder)
Re: How to change drive structures/partitions? ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Re: Modem Config. Problem using Kppp ("Lonni J. Friedman")
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DELL's Linux price is HIGHER than Win98
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 18:51:19 -0500
"Alex Lam." wrote:
>
> Leonard Evens wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone answer this one? Why is the price for a Dell running Linux
> > > more that the price for a Win98 box. It should be cheaper considering
> > > it is a FREE OS!!! I checked the Dell web site and configured a "Dell
> > > Dimension XPS T" and for Win98 the price was $1,658 but for RedHat Linux
> > > 6.1 (The older Version) $1,737. I have listed the Dell options below:
> > >
> > > Date: 6/5/00 @ 8:00AM
> > > Dell Dimension XPS T PIII Mini Tower: PIII @ 700MHz [220-2135]
> > > Memory: 128MB 100MHz SDRAM [311-8410]
> > > Keyboard: QuietKey Keyboard [310-7002]
> > > Monitor: Dell Ultrascan P780 17" [320-4501]
> > > Video Card: 32MB NVIDA geFORCE 4X AGP Graphics Card [320-0131]
> > > Hard Drive: 20.4 GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive [340-2409]
> > > Operating System: Win98 [310-8921] or Linux [420-2250]
> > > Mouse: MS IntelliMouse [310-0050]
> > > Network Card: 3COM 3C905C-TXM 10/100 Remote Wake Up [430-3280]
> > > Modem: No Modem [313-3607]
> > > Optical Drives: 48X Max / 20X Min CDROM [313-3922]
> > > Sound Card: SoundBlaster Live! Value Digital [313-7869]
> > > Speakers: Harmon/Kardon Speakers [313-3925]
> > > Bundled Software: No MS Office [412-1397]
> > > Iomega Zip Drives: No Zip Drives [460-8320]
> > > Norton Antivirus: NAV 2000 [412-5620] ONLY ON THE MS SYSTEMS FOR FREE!!
> > > Service: 1 Yr. Next Business Day On-Site P&L, Yrs 2&3, BSC [900-1590]
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> >
> > Another likely theory: Dell may just have compared their prices
> > to vendors like Penguin, Indybox, etc., and come up with a price
> > that is in line with those vendors. Since they have such an
> > advantage in hardware volume, they may be able to boost their
> > Linux profit margin thereby.
> >
> I'm looking for another machine lately. I run Solaris, BSD and
> Linux only. I've found that almost all 'Linux specialists'
> computer vendors are way over-priced. Especially those who only
> preinstall Red Hat.
>
> I believe many just support Linux because Linux is free, that
> means more profits for them; and the saving from the free OS is
> not passing down to the customers.
>
> Also, Linux now is a trendy thing to have. It's fashionable,
> and hot trendy/fashion are very marketable.
> And will make them look cool and good. So they can say "Hey,
> I'm with the cutting/bleeding edge technology." :p
>
> You can build an identical box for at least 30% less.
I must disagree. We have bought machines with Linux preinstalled
from VALinux, Penguin, and Indybox although we are quite competent
at installing it ourselves. We found that they generally use
good hardware, so the machines are more reliable. Also, they
have made some effort to choose the hardware with Linux in mind,
so we have to spend less time fiddling with things like X.
Of course, for the typical single user who wants to learn about
Linux, it is probably better to install it oneself. But for
a business or institution, it can often save a lot of time and
trouble to buy a machine with Linux preinstalled.
>
> Alex Lam.
> > --
> >
> > Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
> > Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: How to change drive structures/partitions?
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:12:30 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I've been playing with Linux for a couple months now and have learned
> how stupid it is to run everything off one partition. I'd like to break
> the info up to seperate partitions (ie. /var, /usr, etc.), but would
> rather not just do a reinstall because then I wouldn't learn anything.
>
> What do I need to due to move the directories off of root onto their new
> partitions? I know I can use PQ Magic to simply resize & then create a
> partition, but then what? How do I name the new partition? After
> naming do I just copy everything in the user directory over there to the
> new /var partition and & erase the original directory? (Assuming I
> remember to edit etc/fstab to mount the new partition). Where do I
> tell it to read from there rather than from the old directory? Will it
> automatically do that once the partition mounts?
>
> I don't know where to start, so any help is appreciated, even if it's
> only to refer me to the appropriate documentation.
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
What you want to do is not going to be easy for a beginner.
I've done it on several occasions. You don't say if you have
space on your disk to create partitions in which you can store
things. Either that or the use of a tape or other backup
device would be essential. In addition, there is no practical
way to break up the root partition and reassemble it from a
running system. You would have to boot from a rescue disk
into a ramdisk.
If you describe just one part of all of this that you want
to try, I can give you some suggestions.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gnome/gdm woes
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:08:16 -0500
Janet wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I recently installed the Helix version of Gnome 1.2. I am having an awful
> time trying to get everything to play nicely. Basically, some users would
> like to use gnome, and some would like to use non-gnome sessions.
Just have the users who don't want to run gnome use switchdesk
to change to either KDE or Another Level. It is available from
the footprint menu under System as "Desktop Switching Tool".
> So, I
> would prefer to have everyone just type startx,
That is a big mistake as you have apparently discovered.
> but when I put
> gnome-session in the .xinitrc file and try to startx, the computer has a
> tendency to freeze (pingable but can't login remotely). So then I thought
> I would just use gdm, but when I try to start an Xsession from gdm, it
> hangs as well. This time I can ssh in and kill gdm, so I do. But then
> when I try to restart it, the screen flashes and I can see on alternate
> flashes the console, where it's saying stuff about freeing AGP pages. It
> seems to be starting a new gdm process every time it flashes because the
> pid of gdm keeps changing, but I manage to kill that. And then when I try
> to do a normal startx into fvwm, I get a signal 11 error. Help!
>
> Janet
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO in partition rather than MBR
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 18:58:17 -0500
Frank Boehme wrote:
>
> Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>
> > After installing Linux (had installed the DOS partition and DOS first)
> > the Linux installation overwrote my MBR with Lilo, obviously.
>
> Because, you didn't tell otherwise. BTW, a very safe way to
> experimentally set up a multi boot box is to have lilo (not the kernel)
> on the floppy. This leaves the mbr as well as bootable partitions
> untouched. Later on, you can move lilo somewhere else.
>
> > Not knowing very much about the LILO architecture, is it possible to
> > install LILO such that it sits only on the Linux partition and not in
> > the MBR?
>
> Yes. For example, just set in /etc/lilo.conf
>
> boot=/dev/hda1
>
> this will install lilo at the begin of the first partition of the first
> IDE disk rather than in the mbr. The latter would be
>
> boot=/dev/hda
>
> Then run /sbin/lilo.
First, that partition would have to be a primary Linux partition
(or possibly an extended partition). Second, you would have to
make that the active partition on the disk. In the present case,
he wanted Windows in the first partition, if I understood him
correctly.
I've put lilo numerous times in the master boot record without
problems in dual boot systems. I don't know what problem this
guy was having, but I suspect either he was messing up horribly,
there was something special about his system, or the distribution
CD was defective.
>
> I don't know how to do this from within RedHat's installation tool
> because I don't use RedHat.
>
> Frank
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: On mounting disks
Date: 06 Jun 2000 21:37:44 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:13:13 +0800, Chew GH
<<8hk3ri$an1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>When changing floppy disks, I find that I need to unmount and then mount
>again before the system starts to recognize that the disk has changed. This
>is especially so when I am untarring a multi-volume archive and need to
>shell to a subshell to carry out the unmount/mount routine before tar can
>process the next volume. Is there a way to get about that tedious routine?
Use the mtools (man mtools), or don't bother with filesystems on the
multi-volume tar archives you're creating. To create a multivolume
tarball on a series of floppies,
tar cvfM /dev/fd0h1440 /path/to/directory/tree
will create a tarball on however many 1.4M disks it takes, prompting you
for a new disk when the one in the drive is full. You'd extract it with
tar xvfM /dev/fd0h1440
of course. Problem is, you can't use compression on these multi-volume
archives.
>Is there support for FAT32 partitions on the 2.0.xx kernels I am currently
>using?
FAT32 support was added in the later revisions. 2.0.35 or higher IIRC.
Since 2.4 is almost out, upgrade your kernel. Now. The performance
increase from 2.2 to 2.3.99-pre3 was decent, so I can only imagine what
2.0.xx -> 2.2.15 will do for you.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: Mink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modem Config. Problem using Kppp
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 01:26:05 GMT
Hey All - When querying my modem using Kppp, I get a message saying,
'Sorry modem is locked'. My modem is an ISA US-Robotics 56K. The device
is set to use ttyS0. I'm running Mandrake 7.02. I've tried to use ttyS1,
ttyS2, and ttyS3 as well, only to get the same message for all 3 saying,
'Sorry, your modem is busy'.
What is my little modem up to?:-)
Any help would be most appreciated. - mink
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: I made my swap partition to be 150 MB
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 01:46:53 GMT
On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:31:35 GMT, Holger Jannsen wrote:
>> But free, top, and dmesg says that it's 1.5GB
>> ....
>
>There has been a limit for the size of swap. It was 124MB. So it seems
>that you're driving an older Kernel-version and you should be happy that
>your system hasn't been crashed yet...;-)))
>(Don't ask me when swap has gone out of 128MB-limit...?!?)
>
>Try to split swap on several partitions.
>
>BTW: Do ya really need so many megabytes of swap for that 32mb ram?
Do you run the latest XFree86 v4.0? Netscape Communicator? A recent version
of GIMP?
I have 128M of RAM and 128M of swap. HDD space is cheap nowadays. 6.4G of
space for $125CDN (+ tax), or 30G of space for $300CDN (+ tax).
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE 6.4, Linux 2.2.14
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: On mounting disks
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:17:50 -0400
Chew GH wrote:
>
> When changing floppy disks, I find that I need to unmount and then mount
> again before the system starts to recognize that the disk has changed. This
> is especially so when I am untarring a multi-volume archive and need to
> shell to a subshell to carry out the unmount/mount routine before tar can
> process the next volume. Is there a way to get about that tedious routine?
No, that's how linux works. You have to mount a filesystem before being
able to read/write it. You could use mtools on floppies if you really
don't want to mount them.
>
> Is there support for FAT32 partitions on the 2.0.xx kernels I am currently
> using?
I doubt it, since FAT32 didn't exist until after the 2.0.x tree ended
its existence. You're going to need to rebuild your kernel for the vfat
support regardless if you don't have it now, so why not just grab a much
newer kernel?
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache SSI config question
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 02:13:48 GMT
Eddy wrote:
>
> From the Apache website, it says that to setup Server Side Include in
> Apache, the following things is needed.
>
> 1) In the <Directory \>, add "Options +Include"
> 2) mod_include is needed
> 3) Add "AddHandler server-parsed .shtml "
>
> But After I set it, it can't run SSI, is there any wrong with me ?
> Thanks
>
> Eddy
Did you restart apache?
killall -USR1 httpd
If you're getting an error message, post it here. If you're
just getting the HTML with the SSI tags in there, you haven't
restarted Apache.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL vs. MySQL vs. mSQL
Date: 7 Jun 2000 01:04:04 GMT
User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.14-5.0 (i586))
Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry to bring this slightly OT but my news feed doesn't have an SQL NG. Just
> wondering how do you export and import databases in PostgreSQL. I have tried
> looking at postgresql.org but I can't find anything (prolly through my own
> stupidity)
> Just wondering if anyone knows a quick solution.
Use pg_dump > db.out to dump a database, and psql -e database < db.out
to reload it.
--
Danny Aldham Providing Certified Internetworking Solutions to Business
www.postino.com E-Mail, Web Servers, Web Databases, SQL PHP & Perl
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From: "bentium" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: for help about allow anonymous user to upload
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:50:22 +0800
I want set my ftp server let anonmous to upload.I do as the file:
upload.configuration.HOWTO
to setup.But I donot success.here is my ftpaccess file:
class all real,guest,anonymous *
limit all 10 Any /etc/msgs/msg.dead
readme README* login
readme README* cwd=*
message /welcome.msg login
message .message cwd=*
compress yes all
tar yes all
log commands real
log transfers anonymous,real inbound,outbound
shutdown /etc/shutmsg
email user@hostname
upload /home/ftp /incoming yes ftpadmin ftpadmin 0440 nodirs
and I set all the directories in path :/home/ftp/incoming can be writed by
any user.
But when I upload file to incoming directory .the server report :Permission
denied on server.
who can tell me what's wrong? Pls reply the answer to my email box
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Resetting Video Card from console
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 23:04:38 -0500
Thanks for your suggestions. Unfortunately neither one of them worked.
John
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: How to change drive structures/partitions?
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:13:47 -0400
I disagree here. Assuming that he doens't need/want to resize
partitions this is a very simple process. He can find detailed
instructions here:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/stepbystep.htm -> PARTITIONS -> NEW ONES
Leonard Evens wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I've been playing with Linux for a couple months now and have learned
> > how stupid it is to run everything off one partition. I'd like to break
> > the info up to seperate partitions (ie. /var, /usr, etc.), but would
> > rather not just do a reinstall because then I wouldn't learn anything.
> >
> > What do I need to due to move the directories off of root onto their new
> > partitions? I know I can use PQ Magic to simply resize & then create a
> > partition, but then what? How do I name the new partition? After
> > naming do I just copy everything in the user directory over there to the
> > new /var partition and & erase the original directory? (Assuming I
> > remember to edit etc/fstab to mount the new partition). Where do I
> > tell it to read from there rather than from the old directory? Will it
> > automatically do that once the partition mounts?
> >
> > I don't know where to start, so any help is appreciated, even if it's
> > only to refer me to the appropriate documentation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Erik
>
> What you want to do is not going to be easy for a beginner.
> I've done it on several occasions. You don't say if you have
> space on your disk to create partitions in which you can store
> things. Either that or the use of a tape or other backup
> device would be essential. In addition, there is no practical
> way to break up the root partition and reassemble it from a
> running system. You would have to boot from a rescue disk
> into a ramdisk.
>
> If you describe just one part of all of this that you want
> to try, I can give you some suggestions.
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem Config. Problem using Kppp
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:15:48 -0400
Mink wrote:
>
> Hey All - When querying my modem using Kppp, I get a message saying,
> 'Sorry modem is locked'. My modem is an ISA US-Robotics 56K. The device
> is set to use ttyS0. I'm running Mandrake 7.02. I've tried to use ttyS1,
> ttyS2, and ttyS3 as well, only to get the same message for all 3 saying,
> 'Sorry, your modem is busy'.
>
> What is my little modem up to?:-)
>
> Any help would be most appreciated. - mink
IS this modem a winmodem perchance? Or you might need to use the
setserial command to reassign IRQ/serial port to the modem.
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