On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:24 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: > This is going to come off negative, but I am sorry. I realize I should keep > my mouth shut, but here we go...
No all opinions are welcome, all the time. That is the USA and our most treasured freedom of speech. Though my father once told me long ago, if you have nothing good to say, best not to say anything at all. Seems to be quite allot of negativity lately. Even I am not negative toward Facebook, I just don't see value or benefit personally. > IRC is not a social medium, That is a freaking hilarious comment and statement. I feel for you :) > it's a congregation point. IRC isn't something > you casually cruise by to get updates from, nor is it something that can > easily be aggregated in to a feed in realtime. "Hey, we are having a meeting > on Tuesday" scroll, scroll, scroll, GONE. It's terribly short-sighted to > basically bash other social mechanisms and call them fads yet think so > highly of IRC when that's not the intent of IRC at all. Not to mention, try > firing up IRC at work... boom, port blocked. At the end of the day, who > cares how many projects have an IRC channel. It's not relevant to the > conversation that is happening. Yes, it's a pain to keep multiple locations > updated, but the more surface area you cover the more potential new people > may be interested in the group. What medium are people using to socialize beyond email that was created back in 1988 that is still widely used in 2011. Again clearly people keep talking about IRC who have not been using it as part of their involvement in the FOSS world. Sure not all have IRC channels, but most do, go look. > We had this conversation about Twitter too, which you bagged on. Yet most of > the updates and cutting edge news, at least in the security field, is on > Twitter now. You cannot argue with the facts coming out from other companies that I simply pointed out. I came across that information on accident, I wasn't seeking it out. But it shocked me, because I seriously thought there was more value there. Facts prove otherwise, and opinions will not convince me otherwise. Lets talk twitter in 10-20 years. This stuff is still so new, people act like we can't live without it and life did not exist before. > Twitter is world-wide and large, IRC is small with little > communities. IRC dwarfs Twitter, easily. Keep in mind not all IRC networks are known or published. It just shows a lack of knowledge. > The compare the two and say they accomplish the same goals is > just ridiculous. You mentioned before that you didn't even have an account > on these social sites and that you were proud of that. That isn't really the > mark of an open-minded person. Why because I am not running around creating accounts for stuff that is not part of my work? I have seen many create accounts for no benefit just the same. But ask yourself, has it stopped me from socializing? I was interacting and have contacts world wide, I made long before many of these sites existed. Yes I missed out, I never created a myspace page. > Who cares. Once again, it has no bearing on the conversation we are having. > You are just talking to hear yourself talk and making this about you instead > of the community as a whole. I am passing on first hand experience of how I got involved in a community. How I learned how the community operated, communicated, and grew. That is very relevant and I don't expect you to care, and makes no difference to me. Also its not like your talking about your first hand experience. Joining projects, taking part in leadership, growing a community, etc. > Ah, same as before. Who cares and not relevant. Same can be said for your comments and opinion ;) > > Not relevant. Once again. You can remove things entirely and just omit if you feel they are not relevant. But ask yourself, how relevant are you to the JaxLUG? When was the last time you posted, or commented on something other than a Twitter, or Facebook thread? Or presented at a meeting? Or did anything for the JaxLUG? Relevant or not? > > Absolutely not, there have been plenty of points that other's have made that > you have been completely unwilling to consider. Countering something with other information is not ignoring things brought forth for consideration. Do you think I have never considered these things before others mentioned them to me? If I have already thought of something and your bringing it up again. How long do you think it will take to respond? Sure I will reconsider it, but doesn't mean it will change any thoughts there. You have your opinion and I have mine. > I think you need to look at yourself next time before you start > pointing fingers. You know your and another members timing is impeccable. Thanks for the encouragement and motivation. ;) > It's terribly insulting the way you present your points and to think > that other people haven't considered them or have absolutely no idea > what you are talking about. Its terrible insulting after all I do for the LUG to be disrespected so publicly. I would never disregard others comments or say such things as I don't care, or say their comments and thoughts are irrelevant. Last I checked that wasn't showing good manners or being polite. But no worries I have thick skin. > I am in the security community, do you honestly think I don't know > what IRC is or how it works? Your the one commenting. Your surely not talking about how you have used IRC for work purposes. Just as your comments about me not using Facebook or Twitter and commenting on them. The same could be said about your use or lack there of IRC. > Insulting. It's not like you are talking quantum physics or something > and everyone in the room is beneath you. Take it how you will. -- William L. 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