On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 17:16 -0400, Paul Tiseo wrote: > On 7/13/2011 3:25 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Why don't you step up and do something rather than come against those > > doing it all, for what benefit or gain? > > Participating in discussion (rather than killing it) is "doing > something", isn't it? Or, does it not measure at all on your geek's > street-cred-o-meter? Do I need to patch Gentoo somehow to earn the right > to speak?
I am hosting the list, and not filtering or restricting anyone. Get over the Gentoo factor man :) Many times discussions don't take place till I stir the pot. > And why is disagreeing with you equivalent to "coming against" you? That was regarding the self appointed leader comment. But hey better than no leader right? > Ask > yourself why, given some people who actively expressed an interest in FB > or any other channel, you did not "step up", harness and recruit their > energy? Dude I haven't said no or gone against it. JaxLUG has a Facebook page, and thats great. More so since I did not have to create it or do anything there. Though would be nice to know who did :) > The "step up" discussion device is a well-known, passive-aggressive way > to control unwanted discussion. I don't think that if I supported your > "Go IRC or go home!" position, you'd have told me to "step up". I never said go IRC or go home and I have not even pushed use of the IRC channel much since I created it a few months back. Which I think was a suggestion from other group members. Not something I did just because I wanted to, or on a whim. As for stepping up, thats more in presenting or doing something for the LUG. If your commenting on leadership, then you should be willing to lead yourself. Like the saying, do something, lead follow or get out of the way :) > So, if I understand, unless one is in the group actively "stepping up", > whatever that means to you, one shouldn't speak at all? No, I did not say that. But you should not be making comments along the lines of self appointed leadership or casting any stones towards those who are leading, or at least making some effort to lead. Considering the void and that no one else other than me is stepping up on many things. In simplest form, making sure we have presenters and meetings every month. Everyone could participate there, and well :) > > Quite many users these days are not even running Linux. FOSS software > > is on everything, > > Yeah, but this is a LINUX user group, no? Yes, and IRC is very important and relevant to Linux. But it does encompass a much larger community as FOSS software has moved from being Linux only to running on anything. > Sometimes, you just want to shoot the breeze, in real-time or not. > Sometimes you want to actively broadcast an event. Sometimes, you want > to relate a link or an online article and engender positive discussion. > Building a community is NOT JUST about immediate Q&A via IRC. You can do all that and more via IRC. Again things we do are not changing, its just where we do them ;) > That's neat. But, you are missing the point in your desire to keep face. No desire to keep face, I am trying to bring aspects of the rest of the tech world to Jacksonville. If people here want to discard that, then their choice :) > I don't think anyone is saying we should not have IRC/chat. I like IRC. > I use IRC. But, people are saying we should probably be employing chat > AND more common and/or approachable tools if you want to ensure you are > reaching as many potential members as possible. Again we have had a Facebook page for months. Many users had no clue. Its not easily found on Facebook, and its done nothing for the group. But I guess we MUST have a Twitter feed now, or the JaxLUG will die. We are just creating more places to look, and more places for information to go stale. All around its just more and more work, and who is actually doing the work? -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-list&r=1&w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml Unsubscribe [email protected]
