I feel that Bad Things will happen if software like xpde really catches on. The Windows XP interface was written around the Windows XP OS and concepts, and there are several things that just don't work the same. Like the "My Computer" window. Several layers of extra cruft would need to be built, and you would end up with a confusing and bloated interface.
Additionally, once users really "get to know" the Windows-XP-workalike interface, they will be bound to find some things that don't work the same as Windows XP, and then they will think "the computer is broken". Like menu items that don't do anything when they're clicked. No good. So, for the love of Pete, find a good Unix-style WM that is fast, unbloated, simple, and working. Users will have a better time of it. </rant> - Jake On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:04:14PM +0100, Tom Schouteden wrote: > True, I installed it an hour ago and it took me some time to get it > properly into GDM. It looks like XP (without the Luna interface) but is > even worse to work with. Nothing really works, except the Run menu. > > If you want something like XP, get the real thing (yeah I know, you > don't want it, but you most certainly don't want XPde - yet?) > > perhaps qvwm is better? > > tom > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 10:25, Louis Sabet wrote: > > Yeah, I installed it. > > > > That's why I said it was far from being stable - this is personal > > experience, not gossip :-) > > > > It LOOKS just like XP, and the developer has even bothered to duplicate the > > Task Manager, even down to processor performance graphs etc. But that's > > about all that has been done. > > > > All the menus (right-click on desktop, taskbar etc) all LOOK the same, but > > clicking on them does nothing. > > > > I believe his main aim has been to make something look like XP, and build > > in the functionality later. > > > > Anyway, after launching a few apps it all dies horribly... > > > > Regards > > > > L > > > > --On Tuesday, January 21, 2003 09:24:11 -0800 pedro noticioso > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Has anybody gone past the screenshots by installing > > > xpde? 8) > > > > > > > > > --- Louis Sabet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Thanks for the suggestion. > > >> > > >> It looks like it could become something quite nice > > >> in the future, but I > > >> installed it to find that it is a 0.1 release and > > >> far from being stable. > > >> > > >> Might be worth keeping an eye on, assuming MS > > >> doesn't sue them to high > > >> heaven... > > >> > > >> > > >> L > > >> > > >> --On Friday, January 17, 2003 09:33:44 -0600 > > >> "Baeseman, Cliff" > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> > I have never tried this but take a look at this, > > >> it should be close > > >> > enough.... > > >> > > > >> > I do not know how mature it is, or even if it > > >> works but it does look about > > >> > as close > > >> > to xp as one can get. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > http://www.xpde.com/modules.php?name=Screenshots > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Cliff Baeseman > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Louis Sabet > > >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: 1/17/03 8:45 AM > > >> > Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] over my dead body... > > >> [slightly OT] > > >> > > > >> > Hi all, > > >> > > > >> > I work for a small company whose long-standing > > >> staff have long adopted > > >> > an > > >> > over-my-dead-body attitude towards change. > > >> > > > >> > At present our sales department is using windows > > >> on a daily basis, and > > >> > has > > >> > done so for many many years. Our sales department > > >> only use IE, Word, > > >> > Excel, > > >> > so having a dedicated machine each running around > > >> £400 of software is a > > >> > little wasteful. > > >> > > > >> > LTSP would be a perfect, cost-effective > > >> replacement for this setup. > > >> > > > >> > I have configured the server to my liking > > >> (i386-RH8, LTSP4), all seems > > >> > nice > > >> > and stable, and I have installed OpenOffice and > > >> Konqueror (KDE) which is > > >> > > > >> > pretty much all they ever need to use. I have > > >> already checked whether > > >> > OpenOffice will open our existing word/excel > > >> documents, and it does so > > >> > quite happily. > > >> > > > >> > My problem now is in finding an appropriate GUI. > > >> These users are all > > >> > trained for windows. We have no time for extensive > > >> retraining, and so I > > >> > need to find something as close to the windows > > >> look-n-feel as possible, > > >> > but > > >> > at the same time making sure that whatever I > > >> choose isn't going to be > > >> > bloated and resource-hungry (KDE/GNOME etc). > > >> > > > >> > I have gone through various GUIs, and none of them > > >> really meet the > > >> > grade. I > > >> > have tried WindowMaker, BlackBox, Gnome, KDE, > > >> FVWM, FVWM95, and finally > > >> > FluxBox (which is a derivative of BlackBox), and > > >> with which I am > > >> > reasonably > > >> > happy, however I know for a fact that my users > > >> won't be (i.e. it meets > > >> > my > > >> > requirements, but not all of theirs). > > >> > > > >> > The main windows-esque features my users will be > > >> looking for are: > > >> > > > >> > Fonts - and lots of them. I've installed the > > >> windows fonts, but still it > > >> > > > >> > doesn't look as "nice" as windows does - any > > >> suggestions here? > > >> > Alt-Tab - Fluxbox handles this nicely. > > >> > Task-bar - KDE/GNOME have this, but are too > > >> bloated and would involve > > >> > hardware upgrades which I would like to avoid if > > >> at all possible. > > >> > Fluxbox > > >> > has a task-bar sort-of, but only displays > > >> minimised windows. Our users > > >> > have > > >> > a tendancy to open all their millions of windows > > >> at once, and leave them > > >> > > > >> > that way, flicking between them using the taskbar. > > >> With fluxbox they > > >> > would > > >> > have to resort to alt-tab which isn't anywhere > > >> near as convenient. > > >> > > > >> > What I'm really interested in knowing is - what do > > >> people do in places > > >> > like > > >> > Internet Kiosks that run linux? Do they just use > > >> whatever standard > > >> > bloated > > >> > GUI comes with their distro? Or do they use some > > >> sort of customised GUI? > > >> > > > >> > The other main reason I don't want to use > > >> KDE/GNOME is due to the fact > > >> > that > > >> > it opens up whole new realms of user-fiddlage > > >> which I'd like to avoid. > > >> > > > >> > With Fluxbox/WindowMaker etc, I can customise each > > >> user's desktop using > > >> > a > > >> > single text file, remove their ability to access > > >> the shell, and let them > > >> > > > >> > get on with their work without ever having to > > >> worry about them buggering > > >> > up > > >> > their settings for me to have to fix. > > >> > > > >> > I'm really interested in peoples' > > >> comments/experiences here, as I can't > > >> > be > > >> > the first person in the world who has > > >> wanted/needed to convert a bunch > > >> > of > > >> > die-hard windows users to linux without having to > > >> resort to the likes of > > >> > > > >> > KDE/GNOME. > > >> > > > >> > Many thanks to all who respond! > > >> > > > >> > L > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Louis Sabet - IT Manager > > >> > http://www.mobiles.co.uk > > >> > http://www.gadgets.co.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! > Can't afford IT training? 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