On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:38, Jake Schroeder wrote: > I feel that Bad Things will happen if software like xpde really catches > on. The Windows XP interface was written around the Windows XP OS and > concepts, and there are several things that just don't work the same. > Like the "My Computer" window. Several layers of extra cruft would need > to be built, and you would end up with a confusing and bloated > interface.
I agree, but if it works people will (unfortunately maybe) use it. There are several problems I encountered when looking for a suitable window manager. Here's a little summary of features I am looking for in a thin client wm: - speed performance (pretty much rules out gnome & kde) - nice layout (rules out twm, ...) - intuitive (sorry but windowmaker / blackbox is just not an option) - remotely easy configurable the window manager that comes closest to this is is, from what I tested, qvwm and I'm not overly ecstatic about it. It will involve a lot of tuning and still won't look good enough to convince mr. joe manager. i'm about to give icewm a spin and see what it offers. > ... > So, for the love of Pete, find a good Unix-style WM that is fast, > unbloated, simple, and working. Users will have a better time of it. working on it. tom > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:04:14PM +0100, Tom Schouteden wrote: > > True, I installed it an hour ago and it took me some time to get it > > properly into GDM. It looks like XP (without the Luna interface) but is > > even worse to work with. Nothing really works, except the Run menu. > > > > If you want something like XP, get the real thing (yeah I know, you > > don't want it, but you most certainly don't want XPde - yet?) > > > > perhaps qvwm is better? > > > > tom > > > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 10:25, Louis Sabet wrote: > > > Yeah, I installed it. > > > > > > That's why I said it was far from being stable - this is personal > > > experience, not gossip :-) > > > > > > It LOOKS just like XP, and the developer has even bothered to duplicate the > > > Task Manager, even down to processor performance graphs etc. But that's > > > about all that has been done. > > > > > > All the menus (right-click on desktop, taskbar etc) all LOOK the same, but > > > clicking on them does nothing. > > > > > > I believe his main aim has been to make something look like XP, and build > > > in the functionality later. > > > > > > Anyway, after launching a few apps it all dies horribly... > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > L > > > > > > --On Tuesday, January 21, 2003 09:24:11 -0800 pedro noticioso > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Has anybody gone past the screenshots by installing > > > > xpde? 8) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Louis Sabet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Thanks for the suggestion. > > > >> > > > >> It looks like it could become something quite nice > > > >> in the future, but I > > > >> installed it to find that it is a 0.1 release and > > > >> far from being stable. > > > >> > > > >> Might be worth keeping an eye on, assuming MS > > > >> doesn't sue them to high > > > >> heaven... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> L > > > >> > > > >> --On Friday, January 17, 2003 09:33:44 -0600 > > > >> "Baeseman, Cliff" > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > I have never tried this but take a look at this, > > > >> it should be close > > > >> > enough.... > > > >> > > > > >> > I do not know how mature it is, or even if it > > > >> works but it does look about > > > >> > as close > > > >> > to xp as one can get. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > http://www.xpde.com/modules.php?name=Screenshots > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Cliff Baeseman > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: Louis Sabet > > > >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > Sent: 1/17/03 8:45 AM > > > >> > Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] over my dead body... > > > >> [slightly OT] > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi all, > > > >> > > > > >> > I work for a small company whose long-standing > > > >> staff have long adopted > > > >> > an > > > >> > over-my-dead-body attitude towards change. > > > >> > > > > >> > At present our sales department is using windows > > > >> on a daily basis, and > > > >> > has > > > >> > done so for many many years. Our sales department > > > >> only use IE, Word, > > > >> > Excel, > > > >> > so having a dedicated machine each running around > > > >> £400 of software is a > > > >> > little wasteful. > > > >> > > > > >> > LTSP would be a perfect, cost-effective > > > >> replacement for this setup. > > > >> > > > > >> > I have configured the server to my liking > > > >> (i386-RH8, LTSP4), all seems > > > >> > nice > > > >> > and stable, and I have installed OpenOffice and > > > >> Konqueror (KDE) which is > > > >> > > > > >> > pretty much all they ever need to use. I have > > > >> already checked whether > > > >> > OpenOffice will open our existing word/excel > > > >> documents, and it does so > > > >> > quite happily. > > > >> > > > > >> > My problem now is in finding an appropriate GUI. > > > >> These users are all > > > >> > trained for windows. We have no time for extensive > > > >> retraining, and so I > > > >> > need to find something as close to the windows > > > >> look-n-feel as possible, > > > >> > but > > > >> > at the same time making sure that whatever I > > > >> choose isn't going to be > > > >> > bloated and resource-hungry (KDE/GNOME etc). > > > >> > > > > >> > I have gone through various GUIs, and none of them > > > >> really meet the > > > >> > grade. I > > > >> > have tried WindowMaker, BlackBox, Gnome, KDE, > > > >> FVWM, FVWM95, and finally > > > >> > FluxBox (which is a derivative of BlackBox), and > > > >> with which I am > > > >> > reasonably > > > >> > happy, however I know for a fact that my users > > > >> won't be (i.e. it meets > > > >> > my > > > >> > requirements, but not all of theirs). > > > >> > > > > >> > The main windows-esque features my users will be > > > >> looking for are: > > > >> > > > > >> > Fonts - and lots of them. I've installed the > > > >> windows fonts, but still it > > > >> > > > > >> > doesn't look as "nice" as windows does - any > > > >> suggestions here? > > > >> > Alt-Tab - Fluxbox handles this nicely. > > > >> > Task-bar - KDE/GNOME have this, but are too > > > >> bloated and would involve > > > >> > hardware upgrades which I would like to avoid if > > > >> at all possible. > > > >> > Fluxbox > > > >> > has a task-bar sort-of, but only displays > > > >> minimised windows. Our users > > > >> > have > > > >> > a tendancy to open all their millions of windows > > > >> at once, and leave them > > > >> > > > > >> > that way, flicking between them using the taskbar. > > > >> With fluxbox they > > > >> > would > > > >> > have to resort to alt-tab which isn't anywhere > > > >> near as convenient. > > > >> > > > > >> > What I'm really interested in knowing is - what do > > > >> people do in places > > > >> > like > > > >> > Internet Kiosks that run linux? Do they just use > > > >> whatever standard > > > >> > bloated > > > >> > GUI comes with their distro? Or do they use some > > > >> sort of customised GUI? > > > >> > > > > >> > The other main reason I don't want to use > > > >> KDE/GNOME is due to the fact > > > >> > that > > > >> > it opens up whole new realms of user-fiddlage > > > >> which I'd like to avoid. > > > >> > > > > >> > With Fluxbox/WindowMaker etc, I can customise each > > > >> user's desktop using > > > >> > a > > > >> > single text file, remove their ability to access > > > >> the shell, and let them > > > >> > > > > >> > get on with their work without ever having to > > > >> worry about them buggering > > > >> > up > > > >> > their settings for me to have to fix. > > > >> > > > > >> > I'm really interested in peoples' > > > >> comments/experiences here, as I can't > > > >> > be > > > >> > the first person in the world who has > > > >> wanted/needed to convert a bunch > > > >> > of > > > >> > die-hard windows users to linux without having to > > > >> resort to the likes of > > > >> > > > > >> > KDE/GNOME. > > > >> > > > > >> > Many thanks to all who respond! > > > >> > > > > >> > L > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Louis Sabet - IT Manager > > > >> > http://www.mobiles.co.uk > > > >> > http://www.gadgets.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! > > Can't afford IT training? 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