Hello Chris, my message was a little bit of humour...
Here the ensemble iwas vocal (5 men voices) and one lute (or so called), so
you can hear it even a "normal" lute ( I mean, non "forte"...) if well
played. When I said play guitar is because during the concert, liuto forte
sounds really like a guitar... Of course the image for the public was better
with the form of a lute. But the two lutenists in the public, M. Forget
(well known for his Weiss intabulations...) and myself, were really not
happy with this lute, even the musician is a good one, but the sound of the
instrument was really not satisfying. my opinion...
V.
----- Original Message -----
From: <chriswi...@yahoo.com>
To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Sauvage Valéry" <sauvag...@orange.fr>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
Valery,
--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr> wrote:
Ok forte,
we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for
the one he used).
So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you
can play with nails...
Really? I've found the modern classical guitar to be a really, really awful
ensemble instrument when dealing with anything else other than other
classical guitars or one other instrument/voice. While the signal coming
from it may be technically louder than most types of lutes, it is designed
to emphasize the lower partials so that the sound is literally swallowed up
by other modern instruments. This sort of dark timbre can be very effective
for a certain portion (but not all) of the solo repertoire, but it really
loses its charm in other situations. This is why A) it MUST be played with
nails B) even then it doesn't project particularly well and C) you often
hear the instrument amplified in even small ensembles.
If you're going to amplify it, what's the point of using that type of guitar
(unless you want to make the amplification part of the effect and timbre
itself, a la George Crumb)? This is why I haven't used a classical guitar
in any of my ensemble music for years. A steel-string guitar works very
well unamplified in a small ensemble and the electric guitar has no volume
limitations at all. Contemporary composers would find much of interest in
these instruments and modern classical guitarists would be well advised to
think of them as alternate versions of their instrument. Unfortunately,
classical players often perceive them as some kind of threat from outside
the "official" guitar world.
I haven't found this same problem with lutes or theorbos. The emphasis of
higher partials means that the sound on both can cut through quite well.
Play close to the bridge and you can be heard most of the time. I've been
thinking of writing a duo for lute and modern guitar. Maybe now's the time
to investigate the project.
Chris
----- Original Message ----- From: "wolfgang wiehe" <wie-w...@gmx.de>
To: <terli...@aol.com>;
<r.turov...@verizon.net>;
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on
"Burg
Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-)
Greetings
W.
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Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41
An: r.turov...@verizon.net;
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Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar
repertoire!
. and is happy with finger nails.
Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto
forte hat
occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago?
I missed it.
Mark Delpriora
-----Original Message-----
From: Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net>
To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by
Andre Burguete,
that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the
volume of the
guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and
has some
interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and
soundboard
construction.
Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the
sound
(negligibly).
This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET.
But one really misses the overtone palette of double
strings.
It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is
sick of the
guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his
nails.
http://www.liuto-forte.com/
There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver
Holzenburg, Luciano
Contini et al.
RT
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Winheld"
<dwinh...@comcast.net>
To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
> Alright, I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto
Forte? (I must have
> been out of the office for this one)
> thanks, Dan
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