Some videos of a type of liuto forte or lute-guitar from about 45 years ago or so. I believe it's from Armenia :
http://www.youtube.com/user/peglegsam#p/u/92/uuSkaD30VW4 http://www.youtube.com/user/peglegsam#p/u/115/6Raw90U-AOQ http://www.youtube.com/user/peglegsam#p/u/89/YnbvozcGAnY GDR On 12/20/09, Mark Wheeler <l...@pantagruel.de> wrote: > Well if you find playing "a guitar in form of a lute saying it is a lute" > strange then have a look at this promotion text from the same lutenist.. > > “It is assumed that Bach, just as for the violin and the cello, composed six > solo suites for lute. But only a few of these incredibly difficult lute > compositions have been preserved. Eric Bellocq accepted the challenge and > reconstructed a complete suite cycle. For this purpose, he had a ‘luito > forte’ built, which all of a sudden makes these compositions quite > playable!” > > Who assumes that there are 6 solo suites for lute, where is the evidence? > All of the surviving Bach compositions or arrangements have been recorded > many times, so they are playable on a standard baroque lute. > > Eric's text is of course absolute hogwash, but it is the sort of thing that > some classical promoters probably lap up, not surprising considering that > huge portions of the mega-narrative of classical music dreamed up in the > 19th century is equally ridiculous. But wasn't one of the aims of the early > music movement to try to get beyond these assumptions and myths. > > Mark > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag > von Sauvage Valéry > Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Dezember 2009 15:58 > An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte > > I'm not against guitar and guitar players (as a guitar player myself, on > romantic intrument ;-) but I don't understand why play a guitar in form of a > > lute saying it is a lute, as I find my normal lute "forte" enough in itself, > > that's all. And after, eveyone makes whatever he wants... > V. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <terli...@aol.com> > To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:30 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: terli...@aol.com >> To: chriswi...@yahoo.com >> Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2009 9:22 am >> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >> >> >> >> >> I write at the risk of being gummed to death by a horde of irate >> lutenists: >> >> >> I don't know what kind of guitars and guitar playing lutenists here have >> been exposed to here but there is a wide variety of types of guitars and >> playing styles. Hauser style guitar guitars are very good for playing some > >> lute music. Smallman type guitars are less good for playing most lute >> music. To play lute music decently on guitar takes a certain touch...there > >> are players that can do it. >> The guitar (unamplified) works great great in ensemble playing e.g Boulez: > >> Le marteau sans maître: Webern op.18, >> Takemitsu: Ring for Lute,flute and guitar... >> Best, >> Mark Delpriora >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: chriswi...@yahoo.com >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr> >> Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:18 pm >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >> >> >> Valery, >> >> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr> wrote: >>> Ok forte, >>> we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for >>> the one he used). >>> So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you >>> can play with nails... >> >> Really? I've found the modern classical guitar to be a really, really >> awful >> ensemble instrument when dealing with anything else other than other >> classical >> guitars or one other instrument/voice. While the signal coming from it >> may be >> technically louder than most types of lutes, it is designed to emphasize >> the >> lower partials so that the sound is literally swallowed up by other modern >> instruments. This sort of dark timbre can be very effective for a certain >> portion (but not all) of the solo repertoire, but it really loses its >> charm in >> other situations. This is why A) it MUST be played with nails B) even >> then it >> doesn't project particularly well and C) you often hear the instrument >> amplified >> in even small ensembles. >> >> If you're going to amplify it, what's the point of using that type of >> guitar >> (unless you want to make the amplification part of the effect and timbre >> itself, >> a la George Crumb)? This is why I haven't used a classical guitar in any >> of my >> ensemble music for years. A steel-string guitar works very well >> unamplified in >> a small ensemble and the electric guitar has no volume limitations at all. >> Contemporary composers would find much of interest in these instruments >> and >> modern classical guitarists would be well advised to think of them as >> alternate >> versions of their instrument. Unfortunately, classical players often >> perceive >> them as some kind of threat from outside the "official" guitar world. >> >> I haven't found this same problem with lutes or theorbos. The emphasis of >> higher partials means that the sound on both can cut through quite well. >> Play >> close to the bridge and you can be heard most of the time. I've been >> thinking >> of writing a duo for lute and modern guitar. Maybe now's the time to >> investigate the project. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "wolfgang wiehe" <wie-w...@gmx.de> >>> To: <terli...@aol.com>; >>> <r.turov...@verizon.net>; >>> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:05 PM >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >>> >>> >>> >>> I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on >>> "Burg >>> Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-) >>> Greetings >>> W. >>> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu >>> [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] >>> Im >>> Auftrag von terli...@aol.com >>> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41 >>> An: r.turov...@verizon.net; >>> lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >>> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >>> >>> >>> OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar >>> repertoire! >>> . and is happy with finger nails. >>> >>> >>> Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto >>> forte hat >>> occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago? >>> >>> >>> I missed it. >>> >>> >>> Mark Delpriora >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net> >>> To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>> Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >>> >>> >>> It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by >>> Andre Burguete, >>> that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the >>> volume of the >>> guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and >>> has some >>> interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and >>> soundboard >>> construction. >>> Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the >>> sound >>> (negligibly). >>> This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET. >>> But one really misses the overtone palette of double >>> strings. >>> It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is >>> sick of the >>> guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his >>> nails. >>> >>> http://www.liuto-forte.com/ >>> There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver >>> Holzenburg, Luciano >>> Contini et al. >>> RT >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Winheld" >>> <dwinh...@comcast.net> >>> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >>> >>> > Alright, I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto >>> Forte? (I must have >>> > been out of the office for this one) >>> > thanks, Dan >>> > -- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > To get on or off this list see list information at >>> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> > > > > > >
