I'm not against guitar and guitar players (as a guitar player myself, on
romantic intrument ;-) but I don't understand why play a guitar in form of a
lute saying it is a lute, as I find my normal lute "forte" enough in itself,
that's all. And after, eveyone makes whatever he wants...
V.
----- Original Message -----
From: <terli...@aol.com>
To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:30 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
-----Original Message-----
From: terli...@aol.com
To: chriswi...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2009 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
I write at the risk of being gummed to death by a horde of irate
lutenists:
I don't know what kind of guitars and guitar playing lutenists here have
been exposed to here but there is a wide variety of types of guitars and
playing styles. Hauser style guitar guitars are very good for playing some
lute music. Smallman type guitars are less good for playing most lute
music. To play lute music decently on guitar takes a certain touch...there
are players that can do it.
The guitar (unamplified) works great great in ensemble playing e.g Boulez:
Le marteau sans maître: Webern op.18,
Takemitsu: Ring for Lute,flute and guitar...
Best,
Mark Delpriora
-----Original Message-----
From: chriswi...@yahoo.com
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr>
Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:18 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
Valery,
--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr> wrote:
Ok forte,
we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for
the one he used).
So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you
can play with nails...
Really? I've found the modern classical guitar to be a really, really
awful
ensemble instrument when dealing with anything else other than other
classical
guitars or one other instrument/voice. While the signal coming from it
may be
technically louder than most types of lutes, it is designed to emphasize
the
lower partials so that the sound is literally swallowed up by other modern
instruments. This sort of dark timbre can be very effective for a certain
portion (but not all) of the solo repertoire, but it really loses its
charm in
other situations. This is why A) it MUST be played with nails B) even
then it
doesn't project particularly well and C) you often hear the instrument
amplified
in even small ensembles.
If you're going to amplify it, what's the point of using that type of
guitar
(unless you want to make the amplification part of the effect and timbre
itself,
a la George Crumb)? This is why I haven't used a classical guitar in any
of my
ensemble music for years. A steel-string guitar works very well
unamplified in
a small ensemble and the electric guitar has no volume limitations at all.
Contemporary composers would find much of interest in these instruments
and
modern classical guitarists would be well advised to think of them as
alternate
versions of their instrument. Unfortunately, classical players often
perceive
them as some kind of threat from outside the "official" guitar world.
I haven't found this same problem with lutes or theorbos. The emphasis of
higher partials means that the sound on both can cut through quite well.
Play
close to the bridge and you can be heard most of the time. I've been
thinking
of writing a duo for lute and modern guitar. Maybe now's the time to
investigate the project.
Chris
----- Original Message ----- From: "wolfgang wiehe" <wie-w...@gmx.de>
To: <terli...@aol.com>;
<r.turov...@verizon.net>;
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on
"Burg
Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-)
Greetings
W.
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Im
Auftrag von terli...@aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41
An: r.turov...@verizon.net;
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar
repertoire!
. and is happy with finger nails.
Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto
forte hat
occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago?
I missed it.
Mark Delpriora
-----Original Message-----
From: Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net>
To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by
Andre Burguete,
that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the
volume of the
guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and
has some
interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and
soundboard
construction.
Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the
sound
(negligibly).
This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET.
But one really misses the overtone palette of double
strings.
It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is
sick of the
guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his
nails.
http://www.liuto-forte.com/
There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver
Holzenburg, Luciano
Contini et al.
RT
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Winheld"
<dwinh...@comcast.net>
To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
> Alright, I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto
Forte? (I must have
> been out of the office for this one)
> thanks, Dan
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