-----Original Message-----
From: terli...@aol.com
To: chriswi...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2009 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
I write at the risk of being gummed to death by a horde of irate lutenists:
I don't know what kind of guitars and guitar playing lutenists here have been
exposed to here but there is a wide variety of types of guitars and playing
styles. Hauser style guitar guitars are very good for playing some lute music.
Smallman type guitars are less good for playing most lute music. To play lute
music decently on guitar takes a certain touch...there are players that can do
it.
The guitar (unamplified) works great great in ensemble playing e.g Boulez: Le
marteau sans maître: Webern op.18,
Takemitsu: Ring for Lute,flute and guitar...
Best,
Mark Delpriora
-----Original Message-----
From: chriswi...@yahoo.com
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr>
Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:18 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
Valery,
--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr> wrote:
> Ok forte,
> we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for
> the one he used).
> So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you
> can play with nails...
Really? I've found the modern classical guitar to be a really, really awful
ensemble instrument when dealing with anything else other than other classical
guitars or one other instrument/voice. While the signal coming from it may be
technically louder than most types of lutes, it is designed to emphasize the
lower partials so that the sound is literally swallowed up by other modern
instruments. This sort of dark timbre can be very effective for a certain
portion (but not all) of the solo repertoire, but it really loses its charm in
other situations. This is why A) it MUST be played with nails B) even then it
doesn't project particularly well and C) you often hear the instrument
amplified
in even small ensembles.
If you're going to amplify it, what's the point of using that type of guitar
(unless you want to make the amplification part of the effect and timbre
itself,
a la George Crumb)? This is why I haven't used a classical guitar in any of my
ensemble music for years. A steel-string guitar works very well unamplified in
a small ensemble and the electric guitar has no volume limitations at all.
Contemporary composers would find much of interest in these instruments and
modern classical guitarists would be well advised to think of them as alternate
versions of their instrument. Unfortunately, classical players often perceive
them as some kind of threat from outside the "official" guitar world.
I haven't found this same problem with lutes or theorbos. The emphasis of
higher partials means that the sound on both can cut through quite well. Play
close to the bridge and you can be heard most of the time. I've been thinking
of writing a duo for lute and modern guitar. Maybe now's the time to
investigate the project.
Chris
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "wolfgang wiehe" <wie-w...@gmx.de>
> To: <terli...@aol.com>;
> <r.turov...@verizon.net>;
> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:05 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
>
>
>
> I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on
> "Burg
> Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-)
> Greetings
> W.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
> Im
> Auftrag von terli...@aol.com
> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41
> An: r.turov...@verizon.net;
> lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
>
>
> OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar
> repertoire!
> . and is happy with finger nails.
>
>
> Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto
> forte hat
> occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago?
>
>
> I missed it.
>
>
> Mark Delpriora
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net>
> To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
>
>
> It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by
> Andre Burguete,
> that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the
> volume of the
> guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and
> has some
> interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and
> soundboard
> construction.
> Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the
> sound
> (negligibly).
> This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET.
> But one really misses the overtone palette of double
> strings.
> It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is
> sick of the
> guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his
> nails.
>
> http://www.liuto-forte.com/
> There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver
> Holzenburg, Luciano
> Contini et al.
> RT
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Winheld"
> <dwinh...@comcast.net>
> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
>
> > Alright, I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto
> Forte? (I must have
> > been out of the office for this one)
> > thanks, Dan
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