Hello, Steve Good question. Sometimes I'm not quite sure how I got where I am on a given solution. I began by reading through the M100 mail archive starting at the bottom. I found many, many references to TEENY in one form or another. References to LaddieCon and LaddieAlpha from about the middle on up. I think I even ended up reading a good interview article written about the operators of the bitchin100.com site and the author of LaddieCon. Don't remember how I got there.
What I did was pick a solution and go with it, i.e. TPDD emulator and a TPDD client, and then adapt from there. At the time, TEENY seemed to be a good place to start. Part of the fun for me is learning how to do things, seeing how much experience I can pick up by trying different things, and asking a question or two when I get stuck. Which sometimes means I end up traveling on a dead end street. But that's OK because I like to drive. With one question I've gotten a lot of great advice just this morning which is clearing up some of the information fog for me. Your suggestion for LaddieAlpha is on my list to explore. I had originally thought that LaddieCon wasn't recommended and LaddieAlpha was for Linux only, but after you mentioned it I read the information you directed me to more carefully and it's cross-platform. So I'm now going "Ah Ha"! Not sure how I missed that. Probably too many late nights, I guess. It's hard to read when I'm trying to see things. Thanks for your help on this. Jerry On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 8:27 AM Stephen Adolph <twospru...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jerry, why are you not using LaddieAlpha? it is the most mature solution > in my opinion, and it runs native on Windows 10? I use it a lot. > > I would separate the "bootstrap" from the "usage". Bootstrap is pretty > easy. I just transfer a text version of Teeny..BA. I don't bother with the > injection aspect of Teeny.EXE on a PC at all anymore. > > ..Steve > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 9:20 AM Jerry Davis <je...@txdavis.com> wrote: > >> Justin, Georg, and Brian. Many thanks for your assistance on this. I'll >> get the cable up to spec and verify physical layer is the way it's supposed >> to be, try again, and report back. I'll also test with mComm as that >> appears to be a better way to get the client installed. >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Jerry >> >> >> On Tue, May 4, 2021, 7:45 AM Brian K. White <b.kenyo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 5/4/21 7:20 AM, Justin Poirier wrote: >>> > Just a quick reply, but when troubleshooting serial, I always start >>> slow >>> > and work my speed up. Don't start at 19.2k. Start at 300, and work >>> your >>> > way up. I've had mixed results across my Model 102/200 machines when I >>> > go much past 2400. >>> >>> In general yes, but not for this. >>> >>> TEENY.EXE is hardcoded to run at the same speed as the TPDD which itself >>> is hardwired to run at 19.2k. TEENY.EXE has it's own small delay between >>> each character to dribble the bytes in slow enough even though the >>> serial port is set to 19.2k, and,it uses a BASIC command to read the >>> port raw without any screen updates. >>> >>> The most likely problem here is that TPDD requires more than just >>> TX/RX/GND. >>> >>> At the very least, you also need DTR shorted to DSR on the 100 end of >>> the cable. TPDD clients look at DTR. >>> >>> Ideally, you should really use a fully wired up cable according to this >>> chart, or, just buy one of the cables linked on that page. Those are all >>> specifically wired and actually purchased and tested cables specifically >>> for use between a 100 and a modern pc, be that with a real serial port >>> or a usb adapter. And, at the bottom are likewise some specifically >>> selected usb-serial adapters, and a description of what makes them >>> special.: >>> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Serial_Cable >>> >>> Lastly, you have a much better option than TEENY.EXE to install TEENY or >>> TS-DOS onto a 100 from a Windows10 machine these days. If your modern >>> machine is Windows or Android, then you should try mComm: >>> >>> http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Kurt%20McCullum >>> >>> If your modern machine is linux or mac, then you should try dlplus >>> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus >>> >>> Those all have bootstrappers that can install TEENY or TS-DOS or even >>> other things onto the 100. >>> >>> However TEENY.EXE does still work if you get a dos emulator set up right. >>> >>> Here is saved some notes about how to run dosbox (a dos emulator on >>> linux) with the serial port config all specified right on the command >>> line so no need to worry about config files. >>> >>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bkw777/dlplus/master/clients/teeny/notes.txt >>> >>> dosbox -c "serial1 directserial realport:ttyUSB0" . >>> >>> (note, that " ." on the end is a necessary part of the command) >>> >>> You just download the dlarc.exe into a directory, run that doxbox >>> command, and from inside that dos window, the C: drive will be the >>> current dir you started in, and you can run dlarc to extract itself and >>> then run teeny.exe. >>> >>> Lastly... counter to what I said earlier, there IS actually a way to >>> generate a special version of TEENY that doesn't care about DTR, but >>> really, I don't recommend it. But, if you read the full teeny manual, >>> it's in dlarc.exe but I have a copy here: >>> >>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bkw777/dlplus/master/clients/teeny/teenydoc.txt >>> >>> It does give directions for how to run TEENY.EXE with a couple extra >>> commandline flags that will generate a modified version of TEENY on the >>> 100. But really, it makes no sense to even bother with that. Just make >>> or buy a correct serial cable rather than do that. Not only will it work >>> better, but there is no such special version of TS-DOS, and you want >>> TS-DOS more than TEENY usually. >>> >>> -- >>> bkw >>> >>
