Mary’s correct. Just because they brand them as the Google Nexus, doesn’t mean Google makes them. They’re made by HTC, Asus, etc. > On Oct 24, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Google does not make their Nexus phones and tablets. The contract that out to > other companies. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 24, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> That's not "True" as (I Beleive) Google does Manufacture its Own (the Nexus) >> & Microsoft does with (Surface & Lumia & XBox) >> >> Their TTS offerings may not be ToTheStandard of Apple's TTS (VoiceOver), but >> they are steadily making improvements along the road >> >> >> >> On the OtherHand, Apple "appears" to be slipping InThisArea EvenThough they >> offer additionalFeatures, previous features are "slipping" in my view >> >> >> I don't recall many VoiceOver "Bugs&Flaws" with the release of >> iOS3-iOS4-etc., but with the Release of iOS8&Beyond many VoiceOver >> "Bugs&Flaws" are steadily surfacing >> >> Apple made "sure" NonVoiceOver "Bugs&Flaws were not "present" IN iOS9's >> Release because they couldn't handle the PR (PublicRelations) if it weren't, >> but they could handle VoiceOver's Bugs&Flaws >> >> JustSayihng >> At 10:29 AM 10/24/2015, you wrote: >>> "Google does not do it. Microsoft is a laugh. And the screen reader >>> vendors are little." >>> >>> This is because none of them build both the hardware and the software. >>> Apple does both and quite well. Does that put them on an even higher level >>> of responsibility? No. But we as the user who requires accessibility have >>> the responsibility to keep Apple apprised of issues that impacts that >>> accessibility. It does little good to pick them apart if we are not >>> reporting bugs. >>> >>> And if we are reporting the bugs then might we not be far better to work >>> together to seek work arounds until such a time when the bugs are squashed >>> rather than engage in these endless circular bitchfests? >>> >>> I know nothing of what it takes to run a large corporation like Apple. But >>> surely they have hundreds of departments, thousands of employees, most who >>> do not have a clue what goes on next door. If any of you want to make >>> changes, hire on as a liaison and good luck. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited >>> in the past. What if it were true? >>> >>>> On 10/24/2015 10:09 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>>> For when ever it may be worth, I absolutely agree with you about the >>>> necessity for those with power and Apple to recognize the extreme >>>> importance of keeping your commitment regarding the quality of excess >>>> ability. I only meant that I didn't think they should have to know about >>>> all the inns and outs. But they need to do is ensure that the final >>>> product does what it should do. And the way they do that is by hiring and >>>> holding accountable people who know what they're doing. I think the jury >>>> still is out on whether they can do that. Google certainly doesn't do it. >>>> Microsoft, there's a laugh. The problem with the little screen reader >>>> vendors is that there well little. So they can't do it either. No model is >>>> perfect alas. The big companies should be able to do it. They have the >>>> resources. Do they have the will? >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don’t agree that executives shouldn’t know about accessibility. >>>>> They may not know the details, but they ought to understand the urgency >>>>> and importance. Steve Jobs was once the CEO of Apple and he demoed the >>>>> latest products for his admiring audience; he didn’t palm the job off >>>>> to his engineers. If Steve Jobs could understand what made Apple >>>>> products great, then so can his underlings, past and future. >>>>> >>>>> As for the comment that VoiceOver is merely one part of accessibility, >>>>> that may be completely accurate, but it’s irrelevant to a discussion >>>>> about quality control. We are the customers and we expect a great >>>>> experience while using VoiceOver. Perhaps you accept that a mainstream >>>>> company can never deliver the quality expected of an accessibility >>>>> company, but others might not. To these people, Apple’s offering is >>>>> inferior and you are endorsing the view that we should merely be grateful >>>>> for an inferior alternative instead of what we deserve. I am one of >>>>> these people. I want and expect VoiceOver to be indistinguishable in >>>>> quality from fully-paid Windows screen readers, and fear that Apple’s >>>>> internalising of VoiceOver puts it under unwelcome business pressures >>>>> that adversely affect us, particularly in recent times, and not just for >>>>> an initial release either. I would prefer not to move to Windows, but if >>>>> I did, it would only because I finally accepted that Apple’s strategy w >>> as untenable. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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