"Google does not do it. Microsoft is a laugh. And the screen reader
vendors are little."
This is because none of them build both the hardware and the
software. Apple does both and quite well. Does that put them on an even
higher level of responsibility? No. But we as the user who requires
accessibility have the responsibility to keep Apple apprised of issues
that impacts that accessibility. It does little good to pick them apart
if we are not reporting bugs.
And if we are reporting the bugs then might we not be far better to
work together to seek work arounds until such a time when the bugs are
squashed rather than engage in these endless circular bitchfests?
I know nothing of what it takes to run a large corporation like
Apple. But surely they have hundreds of departments, thousands of
employees, most who do not have a clue what goes on next door. If any of
you want to make changes, hire on as a liaison and good luck.
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 10/24/2015 10:09 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
For when ever it may be worth, I absolutely agree with you about the necessity
for those with power and Apple to recognize the extreme importance of keeping
your commitment regarding the quality of excess ability. I only meant that I
didn't think they should have to know about all the inns and outs. But they
need to do is ensure that the final product does what it should do. And the way
they do that is by hiring and holding accountable people who know what they're
doing. I think the jury still is out on whether they can do that. Google
certainly doesn't do it. Microsoft, there's a laugh. The problem with the
little screen reader vendors is that there well little. So they can't do it
either. No model is perfect alas. The big companies should be able to do it.
They have the resources. Do they have the will?
Mary
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On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:
I don’t agree that executives shouldn’t know about accessibility. They may not
know the details, but they ought to understand the urgency and importance.
Steve Jobs was once the CEO of Apple and he demoed the latest products for his
admiring audience; he didn’t palm the job off to his engineers. If Steve Jobs
could understand what made Apple products great, then so can his underlings,
past and future.
As for the comment that VoiceOver is merely one part of accessibility, that may
be completely accurate, but it’s irrelevant to a discussion about quality
control. We are the customers and we expect a great experience while using
VoiceOver. Perhaps you accept that a mainstream company can never deliver the
quality expected of an accessibility company, but others might not. To these
people, Apple’s offering is inferior and you are endorsing the view that we
should merely be grateful for an inferior alternative instead of what we
deserve. I am one of these people. I want and expect VoiceOver to be
indistinguishable in quality from fully-paid Windows screen readers, and fear
that Apple’s internalising of VoiceOver puts it under unwelcome business
pressures that adversely affect us, particularly in recent times, and not just
for an initial release either. I would prefer not to move to Windows, but if I
did, it would only because I finally accepted that Apple’s strategy w
as untenable.
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