For what its worth, I'm always respectful to the people at Apple. I simply tell them the problems, and they pass it on.
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> > wrote: > > Plus, you have to report the bugs in a tome that makes us worthy of making > business with and that’s *not* the kind of tone we often hear here. Sadly > i’ve been in beta test groups where the tone was much like that around here > and as long as that tone persisted nothing much was achieved. > /Krister > >> 24 okt. 2015 kl. 19:29 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>: >> >> "Google does not do it. Microsoft is a laugh. And the screen reader vendors >> are little." >> >> This is because none of them build both the hardware and the software. >> Apple does both and quite well. Does that put them on an even higher level >> of responsibility? No. But we as the user who requires accessibility have >> the responsibility to keep Apple apprised of issues that impacts that >> accessibility. It does little good to pick them apart if we are not >> reporting bugs. >> >> And if we are reporting the bugs then might we not be far better to work >> together to seek work arounds until such a time when the bugs are squashed >> rather than engage in these endless circular bitchfests? >> >> I know nothing of what it takes to run a large corporation like Apple. But >> surely they have hundreds of departments, thousands of employees, most who >> do not have a clue what goes on next door. If any of you want to make >> changes, hire on as a liaison and good luck. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >>> On 10/24/2015 10:09 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>> For when ever it may be worth, I absolutely agree with you about the >>> necessity for those with power and Apple to recognize the extreme >>> importance of keeping your commitment regarding the quality of excess >>> ability. I only meant that I didn't think they should have to know about >>> all the inns and outs. But they need to do is ensure that the final product >>> does what it should do. And the way they do that is by hiring and holding >>> accountable people who know what they're doing. I think the jury still is >>> out on whether they can do that. Google certainly doesn't do it. Microsoft, >>> there's a laugh. The problem with the little screen reader vendors is that >>> there well little. So they can't do it either. No model is perfect alas. >>> The big companies should be able to do it. They have the resources. Do they >>> have the will? >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don’t agree that executives shouldn’t know about accessibility. They >>>> may not know the details, but they ought to understand the urgency and >>>> importance. Steve Jobs was once the CEO of Apple and he demoed the latest >>>> products for his admiring audience; he didn’t palm the job off to his >>>> engineers. If Steve Jobs could understand what made Apple products great, >>>> then so can his underlings, past and future. >>>> >>>> As for the comment that VoiceOver is merely one part of accessibility, >>>> that may be completely accurate, but it’s irrelevant to a discussion about >>>> quality control. We are the customers and we expect a great experience >>>> while using VoiceOver. Perhaps you accept that a mainstream company can >>>> never deliver the quality expected of an accessibility company, but others >>>> might not. To these people, Apple’s offering is inferior and you are >>>> endorsing the view that we should merely be grateful for an inferior >>>> alternative instead of what we deserve. I am one of these people. I want >>>> and expect VoiceOver to be indistinguishable in quality from fully-paid >>>> Windows screen readers, and fear that Apple’s internalising of VoiceOver >>>> puts it under unwelcome business pressures that adversely affect us, >>>> particularly in recent times, and not just for an initial release either. >>>> I would prefer not to move to Windows, but if I did, it would only because >>>> I finally accepted that Apple’s strategy w >> as untenable. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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