Very true. For example, Motorola makes the Nexus 6.
Asus made the 7 inch Nexus 7 tablet.
Chris.
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From: "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO
Google does not make their Nexus phones and tablets. The contract that out
to other companies.
Mary
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On Oct 24, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
That's not "True" as (I Beleive) Google does Manufacture its Own (the
Nexus) & Microsoft does with (Surface & Lumia & XBox)
Their TTS offerings may not be ToTheStandard of Apple's TTS (VoiceOver),
but they are steadily making improvements along the road
On the OtherHand, Apple "appears" to be slipping InThisArea EvenThough
they offer additionalFeatures, previous features are "slipping" in my view
I don't recall many VoiceOver "Bugs&Flaws" with the release of
iOS3-iOS4-etc., but with the Release of iOS8&Beyond many VoiceOver
"Bugs&Flaws" are steadily surfacing
Apple made "sure" NonVoiceOver "Bugs&Flaws were not "present" IN iOS9's
Release because they couldn't handle the PR (PublicRelations) if it
weren't, but they could handle VoiceOver's Bugs&Flaws
JustSayihng
At 10:29 AM 10/24/2015, you wrote:
"Google does not do it. Microsoft is a laugh. And the screen reader
vendors are little."
This is because none of them build both the hardware and the software.
Apple does both and quite well. Does that put them on an even higher
level of responsibility? No. But we as the user who requires
accessibility have the responsibility to keep Apple apprised of issues
that impacts that accessibility. It does little good to pick them apart
if we are not reporting bugs.
And if we are reporting the bugs then might we not be far better to
work together to seek work arounds until such a time when the bugs are
squashed rather than engage in these endless circular bitchfests?
I know nothing of what it takes to run a large corporation like Apple.
But surely they have hundreds of departments, thousands of employees,
most who do not have a clue what goes on next door. If any of you want to
make changes, hire on as a liaison and good luck.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 10/24/2015 10:09 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
For when ever it may be worth, I absolutely agree with you about the
necessity for those with power and Apple to recognize the extreme
importance of keeping your commitment regarding the quality of excess
ability. I only meant that I didn't think they should have to know about
all the inns and outs. But they need to do is ensure that the final
product does what it should do. And the way they do that is by hiring
and holding accountable people who know what they're doing. I think the
jury still is out on whether they can do that. Google certainly doesn't
do it. Microsoft, there's a laugh. The problem with the little screen
reader vendors is that there well little. So they can't do it either. No
model is perfect alas. The big companies should be able to do it. They
have the resources. Do they have the will?
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com>
wrote:
I don’t agree that executives shouldn’t know about accessibility.
They may not know the details, but they ought to understand the urgency
and importance. Steve Jobs was once the CEO of Apple and he demoed the
latest products for his admiring audience; he didn’t palm the job off
to his engineers. If Steve Jobs could understand what made Apple
products great, then so can his underlings, past and future.
As for the comment that VoiceOver is merely one part of accessibility,
that may be completely accurate, but it’s irrelevant to a discussion
about quality control. We are the customers and we expect a great
experience while using VoiceOver. Perhaps you accept that a mainstream
company can never deliver the quality expected of an accessibility
company, but others might not. To these people, Apple’s offering is
inferior and you are endorsing the view that we should merely be
grateful for an inferior alternative instead of what we deserve. I am
one of these people. I want and expect VoiceOver to be
indistinguishable in quality from fully-paid Windows screen readers,
and fear that Apple’s internalising of VoiceOver puts it under
unwelcome business pressures that adversely affect us, particularly in
recent times, and not just for an initial release either. I would
prefer not to move to Windows, but if I did, it would only because I
finally accepted that Apple’s strategy w
as untenable.
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