Hi! I wonder how many lines of code they have to go through? Must be thousands of lines of code. Think of that! /A > On 24 Oct 2015, at 20:25, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote: > > That's not "True" as (I Beleive) Google does Manufacture its Own (the Nexus) > & Microsoft does with (Surface & Lumia & XBox) > > Their TTS offerings may not be ToTheStandard of Apple's TTS (VoiceOver), but > they are steadily making improvements along the road > > > > On the OtherHand, Apple "appears" to be slipping InThisArea EvenThough they > offer additionalFeatures, previous features are "slipping" in my view > > > I don't recall many VoiceOver "Bugs&Flaws" with the release of > iOS3-iOS4-etc., but with the Release of iOS8&Beyond many VoiceOver > "Bugs&Flaws" are steadily surfacing > > Apple made "sure" NonVoiceOver "Bugs&Flaws were not "present" IN iOS9's > Release because they couldn't handle the PR (PublicRelations) if it weren't, > but they could handle VoiceOver's Bugs&Flaws > > JustSayihng > At 10:29 AM 10/24/2015, you wrote: >> "Google does not do it. Microsoft is a laugh. And the screen reader >> vendors are little." >> >> This is because none of them build both the hardware and the software. >> Apple does both and quite well. Does that put them on an even higher level >> of responsibility? No. But we as the user who requires accessibility have >> the responsibility to keep Apple apprised of issues that impacts that >> accessibility. It does little good to pick them apart if we are not >> reporting bugs. >> >> And if we are reporting the bugs then might we not be far better to work >> together to seek work arounds until such a time when the bugs are squashed >> rather than engage in these endless circular bitchfests? >> >> I know nothing of what it takes to run a large corporation like Apple. But >> surely they have hundreds of departments, thousands of employees, most who >> do not have a clue what goes on next door. If any of you want to make >> changes, hire on as a liaison and good luck. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >> On 10/24/2015 10:09 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>> For when ever it may be worth, I absolutely agree with you about the >>> necessity for those with power and Apple to recognize the extreme >>> importance of keeping your commitment regarding the quality of excess >>> ability. I only meant that I didn't think they should have to know about >>> all the inns and outs. But they need to do is ensure that the final product >>> does what it should do. And the way they do that is by hiring and holding >>> accountable people who know what they're doing. I think the jury still is >>> out on whether they can do that. Google certainly doesn't do it. Microsoft, >>> there's a laugh. The problem with the little screen reader vendors is that >>> there well little. So they can't do it either. No model is perfect alas. >>> The big companies should be able to do it. They have the resources. Do they >>> have the will? >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don’t agree that executives shouldn’t know about accessibility. >>>> They may not know the details, but they ought to understand the urgency >>>> and importance. Steve Jobs was once the CEO of Apple and he demoed the >>>> latest products for his admiring audience; he didn’t palm the job off to >>>> his engineers. If Steve Jobs could understand what made Apple products >>>> great, then so can his underlings, past and future. >>>> >>>> As for the comment that VoiceOver is merely one part of accessibility, >>>> that may be completely accurate, but it’s irrelevant to a discussion >>>> about quality control. We are the customers and we expect a great >>>> experience while using VoiceOver. Perhaps you accept that a mainstream >>>> company can never deliver the quality expected of an accessibility >>>> company, but others might not. To these people, Apple’s offering is >>>> inferior and you are endorsing the view that we should merely be grateful >>>> for an inferior alternative instead of what we deserve. I am one of these >>>> people. I want and expect VoiceOver to be indistinguishable in quality >>>> from fully-paid Windows screen readers, and fear that Apple’s >>>> internalising of VoiceOver puts it under unwelcome business pressures that >>>> adversely affect us, particularly in recent times, and not just for an >>>> initial release either. I would prefer not to move to Windows, but if I >>>> did, it would only because I finally accepted that Apple’s strategy w >> as untenable. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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