Hi Harry, Thanks. The IT folks are already involved which will be really helpful here.
Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Harry Hogue <harryhog...@gmail.com> wrote: > I second what Alex has said here. Set tab to interact automatically, then go > arrow oven after interacting with the frame. You should then be able to read > thee text in the threads. Do, however, be sure and set the display to text > only, or however it is worded in the Blackboard preferences. > > Since you are having trouble configuring VO on the network, however, you may > want to involve the IT folks at the university. > > Thanks, > > Harry > > On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is the only thing you have tried tabbing? I normally arrow to where I want, >> or use navigation keys to get there. Once I find the frame, I interact >> (vo-shift-down arrow). You may not have tab set to interact automatically, >> which could be the problem. >> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Harry, the issue we are dealing with now is on the Discussions Board. >>> There is a content frame with text that must be read. I cannot tab to this >>> frame, no speech is given from within the Discussion Board. Text is >>> visible on the screen, but I cannot figure out how to access it. Do you >>> have any specific suggestions on how to access content within this frame? >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Les >>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Harry Hogue <harryhog...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Les, >>>> >>>> I successfully use VO with Safari and Blackboard all of the time. It is a >>>> good idea to change the settings to "Text only," or "Plain text," I'm not >>>> sure how it words it. It will be under "Personalization" or something >>>> like that. I just graduated this May and am starting another program this >>>> fall, so I don't have an active Blackboard account to look at at the >>>> moment. >>>> >>>> I do hope this helps, however. >>>> >>>> Please note that Safari has never given me any problems. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Harry >>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>> >>>>> The user must log in, otherwise that would be a great idea. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Les >>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure, in that case. I never had much luck with blackboard, but >>>>>> haven't had to use it for about three years, so they may have improved >>>>>> things since I was forced to endure it. I do know that they optimized it >>>>>> for Internet Explorer, so maybe it is something in Safari? You said you >>>>>> could see the text visually, which is odd as vo seems to not see it. Is >>>>>> there any way you could give us a link, or does the page require the >>>>>> user to log in? >>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we tried interacting with the frame, and still could not read >>>>>>> the text. I should mention that when I tabbed over and highlighted the >>>>>>> text in the frame, VO did not inform me of any text, so this is why I'm >>>>>>> figuring we have a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Les >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have the student interact with the frame, and all should work as >>>>>>>> expected. Don't forget to stop interacting when you are done reading >>>>>>>> the text, or vo will keep navigating only what is inside the frame. >>>>>>>> You can change this in the vo utility (vo-f8) if you want to, under >>>>>>>> the web tab of the navigation category I believe. >>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a student who's trying to use Safari on the Blackboard online >>>>>>>>>> learning system. In the "Discussion Board" section, we are unable to >>>>>>>>>> read plain text in a thread because the text is framed. I'm not sure >>>>>>>>>> if it's possible to remove the frame or somehow navigate the frame. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if this is possible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Les >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive typographical errors! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Blaise, lots of useful links here where you can get loads of >>>>>>>>>>> material for using the Mac. I'd encourage you to get whatever you >>>>>>>>>>> feel is appropriate, see below. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Esther <mori...@mac-access.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls! >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: July 29, 2012 2:27:27 PM EDT >>>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Gigi and Others, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There is a VoiceOver downloads page that gives a link to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Lighthouse for the Blind in San Francisco, but so far it has not >>>>>>>>>>>> been updated for Mountain Lion. So the links for downloading the >>>>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver Getting Started Guide in a web browser, and also to the >>>>>>>>>>>> electronic braille version in .brf format, still point to Lion. >>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I can tell, versions for Mountain Lion have yet been >>>>>>>>>>>> prepared on these sites. At some point this page should be >>>>>>>>>>>> updated, but right now it points to Lion versions: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It might help your friend to review some of the Vision Australia >>>>>>>>>>>> podcasts on working with VoiceOver. Also, you can check the >>>>>>>>>>>> AppleVis Guides section: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides >>>>>>>>>>>> • "A Guide to Making the Switch from Using a Windows Screen Reader >>>>>>>>>>>> to VoiceOver On a Mac" >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-making-switch-using-windows-screen-reader-voiceover-mac >>>>>>>>>>>> • "VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X" >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-keyboard-shortcuts-mac-os-x >>>>>>>>>>>> • "General Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X" >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/general-keyboard-shortcut-commands-mac-os-x >>>>>>>>>>>> • "VoiceOver Gestures for Use with a Multi-Touch TrackPad on Mac >>>>>>>>>>>> OS X" >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-gestures-use-multi-touch-trackpad-mac-os-x >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Incidentally, web versions of the "VoiceOver Getting Started" >>>>>>>>>>>> guides for Mountain Lion in many different languages seem to be >>>>>>>>>>>> up, I'm a little puzzled why William didn't automatically get >>>>>>>>>>>> this by arrowing down to the last element of the VoiceOver help >>>>>>>>>>>> menu (brought up with VO-H). I don't have Mountain Lion installed >>>>>>>>>>>> yet, so I can't check the language localizations from the loaded >>>>>>>>>>>> packages, but the general rule for Mountain Lion seems to be that >>>>>>>>>>>> you append the language localization code to the web address. So >>>>>>>>>>>> you start with "help.apple.com", slash, "voiceover", slash, >>>>>>>>>>>> "info", slash, "guide", slash, "10.8", slash, and then add your >>>>>>>>>>>> localization code. If you don't add a localization, it defaults to >>>>>>>>>>>> English, and resolves to an ending of "English.lproj/index.html". >>>>>>>>>>>> This is: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In general, most language localization codes are two letters, >>>>>>>>>>>> followed by a period and the five letter word "lproj" and end with >>>>>>>>>>>> a slash, or a slash followed by "index.html" (either should work). >>>>>>>>>>>> But the older way is to type out the language, such as "Dutch" and >>>>>>>>>>>> "German" and "English", so it's a bit confusing that you use >>>>>>>>>>>> "German.lproj" or "Dutch.lproj" while French, Greek, Danish, and >>>>>>>>>>>> Finnish use the newer two letter code convention of "fr.lproj", >>>>>>>>>>>> "el.lproj", "da.lproj", and "fi.lproj" (with lower case letters). >>>>>>>>>>>> In the case of Chinese, to distinguish between simplified >>>>>>>>>>>> characters and traditional characters, the language code adds a >>>>>>>>>>>> two letter country designation in caps after an underbar: >>>>>>>>>>>> "zh_CN.lproj" and "zh_TW.lproj", so the VoiceOver user guides in >>>>>>>>>>>> these versions become: >>>>>>>>>>>> • Chinese (Simplified Characters) >>>>>>>>>>>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/zh_CN.lproj/index.html >>>>>>>>>>>> • Chinese (Traditional Characters) >>>>>>>>>>>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/zh_TW.lproj/index.html >>>>>>>>>>>> But in most cases, there's a simple two letter code for the >>>>>>>>>>>> language, such as "ar" for Arabic, "ja" for Japanese, "pl" for >>>>>>>>>>>> Polish, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who has trouble viewing current "VoiceOver Getting Started" >>>>>>>>>>>> guides for Mountain Lion in their language can try this scheme, or >>>>>>>>>>>> post back with questions. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Esther >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Esther >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the information on the voiceover user guide for >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mountain lion. I have however, an additional question. Last year, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded a brf file from the Apple website for voiceover >>>>>>>>>>>>> under snow Leopard. I also bought the 2 volume set from the San >>>>>>>>>>>>> Francisco Lighthouse, and back then there was a link on the Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>> web site to go there to do it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a blind friend who has decided to switch to a Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, she is going to do something that would be difficult >>>>>>>>>>>>> under windows. A sighted friend of hers is going to get her Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> first, and my friend is going to learn voice over on it. She >>>>>>>>>>>>> wants to read the manual ahead of time, so do you know if there >>>>>>>>>>>>> is another link for getting a DRF file for this? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eugenia Firth >>>>>>>>>>>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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