On 9/17/20 10:36 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
Would it though? Is that conjecture or based on available data that can be analyzed? Here's my POV, if mm2 can (and it appears to me that it can somewhat easily) be fixed to use py3 then all the installed bases of mm2 don't have to learn/deal/secure/test/manage/deal with a REST API and/or Flask, etc. All those current mm2 admins get to continue life as they normally do. They save a weekend (or a month in some cases) and some even save some $$, by not having to significantly change their Mailman installation or server size, etc. What I'm trying to do is provide a painless (or, at least a less painful) path forward for all those existing Mailman sites that don't want to deal with all the same issues that are appearing over on the MM3-users list and in #mailman.
I am seeing issues with MM2 on this list. Issues always exist with software applications so please stop using that as an argument against the adoption of Mailman 3. It's disingenuous.
Django is complex so moving away from it would reduce the complexity of a Mailman 3 installation procedure and maintenance. I manage dozens of mailman 2 and mailman 3 servers. When it comes to maintenance and support issues not much of a difference between the two. I will tell you this though, migrating a mm2 list to mm3 is easy and effective.
See, this discussion of changing interfaces for Mailman 3 itself demonstrates the flexibility of Mailman 3. A flexibility Mailman 2 will never see. The needs of list admins (and let's not forget list members) do change and they should as evolution of email discourse continues to change. Mailman 3 is in a better position to meet the needs of list admins (and let's not forget list members) far better than Mailman 2.
Personally having the ability to communicate with a list using email and a lightweight forum at the same time is a great thing. In fact, I think it is the future as list members will grow to like the flexibility. Let's not forget the way archives become instantly more useful with an include search feature in a Mailman 3 installation.
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