On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 14:56 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On 9/17/20 2:27 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 14:15 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Absolutely not. I'm intrigued by the idea of mailman-core (1/3 of mm3) > > with a lightweight web-based GUI in front of it. But, to date, that > > doesn't exist. I also don't see the need for a db and api with a MLM, > > but I do see value in those things. > > No just a need for a 15 year out-dated user interface and a MLM that > requires an EOL version of Python. Otherwise Mailman 3 can behave in the > same manner as Mailman 2. The installation of Mailman 3 takes an hour. > That includes OS, web server, database, MTA and python 3. All of the > complexity you continue to gripe about is, to use your word, fud.
The age of a product shouldn't determine it's usefulness. Is Mark less useful because of his age? WTF dude? I don't get how you are a champion of mm3 being a simple install. You do realize this list's archive is full of your problems with mm3, right? That, and you had to replace 2/3 of mm3 to get what you wanted? How is that easy, and how is that done in 1 hour? > > > That's just FUD. Don't take offense because I haven't taken you up on > > your mm3 work around(s). I have mm3 installs, but they are not what my > > users want. > > There it is again. A use of a word meant to imply something negative. > Affinity and Empathy are not "workarounds". They are modern interfaces > that I developed because I host MANY list owners with all kinds of > requirements. I also wanted something to set apart myself from other > potential competitors. I am still using Postorius and Hyperkitty to for > Mailman 3 hosting clients. They are still fine to work with. > > So your users don't want to use a MLM that works just like Mailman 2? > Mailman 3 can just be that but the potential to be more is there, a > potential that Mailman 2 does not have. > > > > Again, you're the guy who had to pay someone else to make 2/3rds of > > Mailman 3 work for you. > > Again a disingenuous remark. You pull the same bs with Stephen all the > time. Mailman 3 works fine apart from Affinity/Empathy. I accomplished a > bold marketing and brand move with those two applications. You wouldn't > understand that. I do understand it, it's just that your business doesn't matter one way or the other to me. I get the sense that you might think we are MLM competitors, we're not. You have a MLM business, I just host a few lists for others at my expense. > I am no longer on the same playing field with budget > hosts. I have set my company apart from them. Why because Mailman 3 gave > me the ability to do that. Mailman 2 did not. > > > My "custom scripts" are cron+bash scripts to send monthly mailman > > reports out to admins. Hardly anything that can't be re-worked anywhere > > else, but why? > > Then why bring them up as a reason to not use MM3? They were a bullet point in a list of bullet points, nothing more. > > > > Please let Simon know I can install Mailman 3 and migrate his list to > > > Mailman 3 within a day. > > I won't be your salesman. > > Yet you have been in the past. Jimmy, did I offend you??? In the past I simply sent someone to you because they came to me asking to pay me to do a mm3 migration. I told them I was no fan, but that you were. I don't get your "Jimmy" comment, but whatever dude. > > I hope you one day see how ridiculous that sounds as an elevator pitch. > > Not anymore ridiculous as your proposals to work harder to keep an EOL > MLM application alive when its replacement is alive and well. I'm curious, do you get a new car every year when the dealership replaces last year's model? -Jim P. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
