"Charli, I don't want to debate with you about Stalinism and its achievements during Stalin's time. I want to point out that I come from Yugoslavia, which from 1945 to 1949, after the Communists came to power, 100% copied the system that existed in the Soviet Union at that time. So, we know very well what that system looked like. Tito was a Stalinist until his conflict with Stalin, and then he tried to change the system in Yugoslavia, but deep down he remained a Stalinist. Despite introducing self-management and giving workers the opportunity to participate in managing enterprises, he never allowed control in society to slip away from the Communist Party, which in the end always had the final say, especially when he deemed it necessary. To be clear https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komunisti%C4%8Dka_partija_Jugoslavije_tokom_Velike_%C4%8Distke Below is a translation into English from the article in the link, and these data are well known to every slightly educated leftist from the former Yugoslavia. To be clear regarding the timeline, that was before working-class disappointment with the Soviet Union when Khrushchev and Brezhnev came to power. "During Stalin's Great Purge of 1937—1939, almost the entire leadership of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (CPY) was executed in Moscow, after which Josip Broz Tito took over the leadership. The scale of the Stalinist purge in the CPY was monstrous. Out of about 900 Yugoslav communists in the Soviet Union, at least 800 were arrested, of which only about 40 survived the Soviet gulags. It is estimated that around 600—700 CPY members were killed during the Great Purge, including a large number of founders and almost the entire previous leadership. In Moscow, all former general secretaries of the CPY were executed: Filip Filipović, Sima Marković, Đuro Cvijić, Jovan Mališić, and the current Milan Gorkić, except for Triša Kaclerović, who withdrew from politics in time. Additionally, two secretaries of the League of Communist Youth of Yugoslavia (SKOJ) (Nikola Kotur and Grgur Vujović), as well as a large number of CPY leaders, members of the Central Committee, and the Politburo, were executed. >From the very beginning, the CPY leadership strongly supported Stalin's >purges, even though it later suffered severely from them. A particularly >illustrative example is the CPY's general secretary Milan Gorkić, who praised >the Moscow trials and Stalin’s execution of 'spy-traitors' without >reservation. He was summoned to Moscow in 1937, where he was arrested, accused >of being a Gestapo spy, and later executed."
To finish with something from that article but directly related to your main statement " basic opposite of capitalist democracy is socialism. Can't allow affection for the achievements of the Soviet Union in the Stalin era" "Živojin Pavlović, a member of the CPY Central Committee who spoke out against Stalin's purges, was executed by partisans in Užice in 1941. "When we are forced to acknowledge that communists have far more rights in a “rotten” bourgeois democracy than communists in a “Soviet democracy,” which is destroying them by the tens of thousands, then truly there is something rotten in that regime... We mocked countries that burned Marxist, Jewish, and democratic literature, while today there is not a single Russian library that holds works by Trotsky, Bukharin, Zinoviev, Bezymensky, Pasternak, Koltsov, and others, which have undoubtedly been burned." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32855): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32855 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108969231/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
