[Edited Message Follows] My only response to what Marv writes is that the fact that the state, or rather the leadership, controls everything—that forced industrialization and agrarian collectivization, the pervasive state control, where state security services declare anyone who criticizes the existing leadership or system in any way as guilty of sabotage and undermining socialist development, is called socialism or some sort of social revolution... Some Marxists have a name for this—Stalinism or state capitalism, and there is no socialism in that. Socialism is not a system where private property is abolished and a one-party dictatorship is established, essentially the dictatorship of an autocratic party or a single individual, without a foundation of democratic decision-making, and where workers themselves have no democratic rights to participate in management. Perhaps this is socialism according to the interpretations of Marxist-Leninists, but it has nothing to do with Marx or with the ideas of the first socialists, where the goal was for the working class to become the master of its own destiny and take control of society, not for someone else to do it on their behalf ( without working-class controlling them or delegate to them their demands).
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