> On Oct 12, 2024, at 8:51 PM, Charlie via groups.io 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> The cause of the 180-degree turn is discussed in "Material Forces that Turn 
> Socialism into Capitalism" at
> http://www.idcommunism.com/2023/04/material-forces-that-turn-socialism-into-capitalism.html

I read Charlie's article but did not find what was truly lacking in the 
so-called "socialist countries":  Independent working class organizations that 
were inclusive, massive and democratic were not in existence to oppose the 
restoration of the capital system.  It took years of struggle to overthrow 
capitalism in social revolutions that included Civil War, terror, and reaction. 
 But the capitalist restoration involved little to no struggle in those 
authoritarian countries because there was no independent, organized force to 
oppose it.  It was the absence of independent working class and civic 
organizations that were free of the authoritarian party and state that allowed 
the restorations of the capital system with no internal social force to oppose 
it.

Mark



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