"It took years of struggle to overthrow capitalism in social revolutions that included Civil War, terror, and reaction." Neither tsarist Russia nor China were capitalist. Of course it took years to overthrow social systems that had been consolidated in regimes, property relations, religious tutelage, and family structures over hundreds and thousands of years.
Mark wants "independent working class and civic organizations that were free of the authoritarian party and state." * How does one distinguish this conception from the liberal democracy and rules-based order that the U.S. trumpets (hypocritically today but largely real not so long ago)? * A feature of pluralist political systems like what Mark wants is that they encourage divisions in society based on secondary interests, to be managed within limits. You can't construct socialism heading to communism that way. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32861): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32861 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108969231/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
