On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 04:33 PM, Anthony Boynton wrote: > > Marv makes an important historical omission... We know from history that > the workers did rise up against Stalinism before state control was relaxed > in 1953 in Berlin and in 1956 in Hungary. We also know that the working > class did not rise up to defend "really existing socialism" anywhere when > the Soviet Union and the Eastern European Stalinist states collapsed.
I agree with Anthony about my making an important historical omission. I also agree with and tried to explain why the working class did not rise up to defend the system when it collapsed. On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 04:46 PM, gojko rakic wrote: > > My only response to what Marv writes is that the fact that the state, or > rather the leadership, controls everything—that forced industrialization > and agrarian collectivization, the pervasive state control, where state > security services declare anyone who criticizes the existing leadership or > system in any way as guilty of sabotage and undermining socialist > development, is called socialism or some sort of social revolution. I also agree with your reply Gojko, except you misread my comment to mean that I endorsed the view that all those who criticized the existing leadership or system were in fact "in any way guilty of sabotage and undermining socialist development", what the state called socialism. Charlie and others may endorse that view. I never have. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32870): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32870 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108969231/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
