I was joking, we are discussing the conspiracy theory that says someone deliberately blew up a perfectly good building, right?
The extent of damage is rather difficult to estimate -- the building had been evacuated when the towers came down, as had all the adjacent ones, and between the debris, fire, and lack of water pressure, and lack of manpower, no systematic examination was preformed (duh!), and when things had settled down a bit, it was obvious to the fire chief that the building was collapsing and he cleared the area. The failure is probably due to the very large gash down the front AND the burning diesel fuel, stored well above ground because the building was built OVER a ConEd substation. This resulted is an unusual design, with the vertical supports each holding up 2000 sq ft. per floor, rather high if not unprecedented. It appear that the gash in the front facade contained one of these columns, and the failure proceeded upwards to the East utility penthouse. This is visible on some video. The fire chief evacuated the area when the west side of the building began to visibly bulge and start shedding glass, and the building collapsed shortly afterward as the failure propagated along floors 5 and 7, both much heavier than the other floors. There were several fairly intense fires generating very large amounts of black smoke, typical of fuel fires, and the fuel tanks were reported to be breached and possibly burning by the fire crews before they evacuated early in the event, so yes, fire did have a lot to do with the ultimate failure -- steel looses strength long before it gets red hot, and to my amateur eye, there was insufficient redundancy in the structure to survive loss of a single vertical column, and it's likely there was more damage not visible. The building that ended up with a giant spear of outer structure from the towers (DuetscheBank? I don't remember) did not catch fire, but was demolished if I remember correctly due to non-repairable damage. Deliberate demolition does not consist of sticking a chunk of explosive on a few structural elements and smacking the detonator -- the building is deliberately weakend so that it is quite unstable and unable to stand, and the explosives are used only to trigger a controlled collapse. The objective, of course, is to drop the center of the building first, and land the outer walls on the debris to trap it and contain the rubble. Those buildings are NOT safe to enter, and every once in a while don't implode exactly right. I don't know of any offhand that have fallen prematurely, but it's not an amateur's occupation, those guys are all structural engineers, and good ones. No building that can be imploded by a small amount of explosive will stand for long, especially full of furniture, people, and moving elevators. The notion that someone deliberately imploded the building is non- sense -- doesn't look like anything but an unplanned collapse to me. No central collapse, it went pretty much straight down and made a much larger mess than it if has been planned. Besides, no one implodes buildings in the center of a major city, they take them apart instead. Peter On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: > Which explains why it collapsed on September 11? > > Mac > > on 6/29/08 23:25, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Sorry, missed that. >> >> Seven? I would suspect it was filled with asbestos and concrete >> dust, had the windows blown in, the air conditions smashed, and was >> generally battered around enough that it would be cheaper to replace >> than refurbish. Most of the buildings in the immediate vicinity >> suffered considerable damage. >> >> And it was the Port Authority's building. Maybe they wanted all new, >> who knows? >> >> Peter >> >> On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: >> >>> on 6/29/08 23:13, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>>> The combustion of 40,000 gallons of aviation fuel, along with the >>>> design of the building and the impact damage did them in. >>> >>> I said WTC SEVEN. >>> >>> It was not hit by ANYTHING. >>> >>> Mac >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
