But you must know what you are doing (many civil service managers don't) and 
document efforts to counsel.  This requires the ability to read and write, 
skills many first-line supervisors are lacking.  Then there's arbitration, and 
some departments are quite weak at making a case before an arbitrator.

I was involved for a few years in "structured interviews" of applicants, where 
hypothetical and ambiguous scenarios were pitched at applicants with a "what 
would you do?" question.  The panel of 3 would then either pass or fail the 
applicant on the spot.  It was a wonderful way to stop problem employees before 
they got their feet in the door.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Strasfogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:35 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally & VA

There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed 
employees.

I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her 
desk on government time.  I went through the agency's personnel office to 
prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the 
wrongdoer with this information.  She resigned within days when it was clear 
that we had her dead to rights.  Piece of cake.



On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> wrote:

> On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote:
>
>> I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all 
>> government workers work for retirement.  Any act that can delay their 
>> actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them 
>> further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The 
>> only caveat to that effort is the question: "If I do this, will it 
>> bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income."
>>
>> In the alternative the question: " If I do this, will it attract 
>> negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now 
>> exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement."
>>
>> This "federal culture mindset" permeates every government agency and 
>> , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means.​
>>
>>
>>
>>  And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do
> anything. Your job is to "supervise" people who are supposed to do the work.
> Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you 
> are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well.
> It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office.
> A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his 
> private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone.
>
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