On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Dotan wrote:
I can be reached by phone (my number on the website), by e-mail and by
ICQ, in addition to mailing lists. I am not your slave.
You keep missing teh point plaese read again. (or do you expect people that
don't like using mail to call your celphone or PM you?)
If someone needs to reach me, and does not have access to e-mail for some
reason, then yes - that's what i'd expect.
Does he have a physical disability using e-mail? What's the big
difference
between logging in to gmail, which is on the WWW and logging in to a forum?
I don't like mail and so does others.
So beause you don't "like" seeing the '@' symbol, I have to jump through
hoops for you? No thank you. I guess you won't apply for a job if you are
required to e-mail your C.V.
If you or he expects me to specifcally use a different forum to contact
him, then excuse me I do not need his "help". It simply isn't worth it
copying each and every message to your forum instead of having him read
it himself. I will not hire a person for the full-time job of copying
messages to your forum, nor will I volunteer for this job.
Please visit Linmagazine once in a while to realise how far fetch this
paragraph is.
I do visit linmagazine. I didn't see anything about Ram's activity there.
I am still not your or Ram's
slave.
Actualy I don't even want you as a slave.
And why do you think I expect you to do anything?! I only need your approval
and support as a board member.
You had our approval and support from the start. If you would have DONE
something like opening a syncronized forum then all would have been well.
Instead, you chose just to complain again and again that I'm not doing
enough, when you are the only person who wants these things done.
After all it was well clarified time and again that the current board see
its job as administrative work only.
Of course the board's role is administrative. Citing chapter 25 is Amutot
law: " הועד ינהל את עניני העמותה ובידיו תהיה כל סמכות שלא נתייחדה בחוק זה או
בתקנון לאסיפה הכללית או למוסד אחר ממוסדות העמותה."
That said, some of the board members also volunteer and do extra work for
the good of the community. I, for example, handle ALL the secretarial and
financial work of Hamakor, update the web site, administer the mailing
lists, and volunteer for Hamakor stands in events across the country, not to
mention coordinate W2L between four clubs, and clean up the mess Shlomi Fish
does with the W2L site.
I didn't talk of W2L I talked of the web archives and I did advertise JLCs
W2L series on FOSS related sites (you might want to check which club has
its coming events on the events boards in Whatsup, Linmagazine and IGLU,
you may also check which club had ads in the Tapuz and Nana forums prior
to it's series opening and the instaparty. BTW in Tapuz it was some tech
forum that made my announcment sticky and not the Linux forum)
So, you took care of your own interests, when you could have invested
exactly the same amount of effort to advance the W2L series for all clubs.
No I couldn't because you choose to address CS-students and such that look
for linux on google. This is not the audiance I was advertising for.
That is plain wrong. I'll tell you a secret: Not only CS students use
Google. The adwords campaign was only one part of the publicity work for
W2L, and was aimed at the general public who has heared a bit about linux.
Most of the poeople who registered from the Google ad had never used linux
before.
It seems that you are more interested in your own personal success than
advancing free software in Israel. Way to go!
Well... the W2L site does not link to the JLCs W2L dedicated site but we link
to yours.
Actually the W2L site does link to JLC's site with all related to the
activity at JLC. When did you visit the site lately?
The general W2L site is ugly and unappealing to the JLC target audiance (non
geeks, non cs-students, non linuxers wannabe, just the avarage unsetisfied PC
user), I pointed this few times but some people seem to like ugly
"informative" websites.
OK, so you beleive sites should be uninformative, and you think for some
reason your site looks better. Did you ask a marketing expert, or its simply
your hubris speaking?
I accepet their stand and wish them good luck. Moreover the general W2L
was not updated long after the JLC published its schedule and untill
pretty short time before the series actualy started.
I'll tell you a secret. Sites do not magically update themselves. The site
was constructed with the information JLC sent. If you want the site updated,
you must tell the people in charge of the site the infomation to update it
with or volunteer to help updating the site. You did neither. You just
complained about it in some obscure forum.
All in all I believe our site was much better then the general one and
it's too bad you choose not to link it (AFAIK Ram was willing to make the
general site look better but his offers were rejected).
Ram was not rejected. He contacted us about a design. I agreed to let him
run a new deisgn and asked him to create a working site anywhere he wishes
and I'll change the DNS for welcome.linux.org.il. He never replied.
I thinks visitors of the general W2L site could and yet may get a very
wrong impression about Linux due to look and content of the site.
I think that publishing the series as if it happens only in Jerusalem
creates a big disservice to people who happen to live somewhere else. Just
think what will a person from Tel Aviv think when he sees notices about
lectures in Jeruslaem seperate from the rest of the notices, or even instead
of the link to the rest of the country. He will think this is a local event
in Jerusalem and not come to any series, just because you made special
effort to hide the existence of other clubs.
You mean you wanted to push your own actions but didn't want to give any
publicity to things others are doing, and didn't want to give me any
credit.
Did you ask me to help you with PR?
I didn't think a techincal action such as opening an archive for mailing
lists requires PR.
I do not and cannot go and put ads in forums which I have no access to
for every small step I take. Ads either cost money, or require the person
or orginization running the site to support running the ad. I think it's
silly creating graphics and running an ad campaign for a small technical
change that no one is interested in.
Are we talking a post to whatsup, linmagazine, tapuz, nana and so or some
high exposure-multimedia-long running-cross country-campeign?
So, I should go and post on several obscure forums just because I created
an archive. Why didn't you do it? I spent my time creating an archive.
Posting about it doesn't require special permissions, or if it does - I
don't have them.
And BTW I'm too not a slave, and it feels good :)
Then stop treating others that way.
Did I ask you to do anything?! (other then updating the W2L site)
Maybe you asked me and was rejected?!
Yes you did. You asked for archives, but that was not enough. You wanted a
"forum", and you wanted ME to go and post to various sites about the
archive. You wanted ME to design a site for W2L that YOU think looks good
and you hinted that the board didn't support the syncronized forums, when
the opposite was true.
Alon
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