On Thursday 01 December 2005 22:42, Dotan wrote: > Alon Altman wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Dotan wrote: > >> I didn't talk of W2L I talked of the web archives and I did advertise > >> JLCs W2L series on FOSS related sites (you might want to check which > >> club has its coming events on the events boards in Whatsup, > >> Linmagazine and IGLU, you may also check which club had ads in the > >> Tapuz and Nana forums prior to it's series opening and the > >> instaparty. BTW in Tapuz it was some tech forum that made my > >> announcment sticky and not the Linux forum) > > > > So, you took care of your own interests, when you could have invested > > exactly the same amount of effort to advance the W2L series for all > > clubs. > > No I couldn't because you choose to address CS-students and such that > look for linux on google. This is not the audiance I was advertising for. > > > It seems that you are more interested in your own personal success than > > advancing free software in Israel. Way to go! > > Well... the W2L site does not link to the JLCs W2L dedicated site but we > link to yours.
A link could easily be added, if you told us to. > The general W2L site is ugly and unappealing to the JLC target audiance > (non geeks, non cs-students, non linuxers wannabe, just the avarage > unsetisfied PC user), I pointed this few times And what did you do about it? I'm maintaining the W2L site, and most of my time I had to spend on adding and updating content there, and the various things from Alon. The look of the site can be easily updated (in just one place), but I did not do it due to other priorities. I can do it now. BTW, as I pointed out in a previous message, the jlc.org.il site has several deficincies which also weren't fixed: <<<<<<<<<<< 1. Uses un-userfriendly URLS: http://jlc.shared.mirimar.net/?page=lectures/lectures Why the "?". Components should be seprated by slashes. Otherwise up buttons don't work. 2. Doesn't have a contact the webmaster link in a footer at the bottom. 3. Is Hebrew only and doesn't have content written in the English language for international users. 4. Is slow. 5. The navigation menu at the right does not look well in Konqueror. 6. The current link in the navigation menu is not highlighted. 7. No next page/prev page/up page navigation controls in the Mozilla navigation bar, or otherwise. 8. Is written in PHP, which is unnecessary in this context. A static HTML site is perfectly fine. (and mine is). >>>>>>>>>>> Note that I began revamping the existing jlc.iglu.org.il site, but then after a JLC meeting which I did not attend, someone called me and informed out of the blue, that he created a new site in PHP for the club, and that I should host it on Eskimo. > but some people seem to > like ugly "informative" websites. I like informative websites, but I don't think they should be ugly. If the website is ugly it's because no-one moved a muscle to change the fact. > Moreover the general W2L was not updated long after the JLC published > its schedule and untill pretty short time before the series actualy > started. Did you send me the up-to-date schedule in time? > All in all I believe our site was much better then the general one > and it's too bad you choose not to link it (AFAIK Ram was willing to make > the general site look better but his offers were rejected). No, they were not. Ram contacted me about the site. I told him it's not necessary to write the site in PHP, and he thought the only alternative was to write it directly in HTML. I told him he should use my existing Web Meta Language framework, but he did not know it, and refused to invest time in learning it. Alon eventually told me to let him write the site in PHP, and I told Ram it's OK, but Ram did not produce any results since. > I thinks visitors of the general W2L site could and yet may get a very > wrong impression about Linux due to look and content of the site. > Perhaps, but that's what we have now, mainly because only Alon and I updated it. Regards, Shlomi Fish --------------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%.
