Alon Altman wrote:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Dotan wrote:
I did tell YOU about the archives. I do not know of anyone else
who had
any trouble using mailing lists.
Naturaly you don't, that's the result of using mailing list to
comunicate - you don't comunicate with people that don't use mailing
lists.
I can be reached by phone (my number on the website), by e-mail and by
ICQ, in addition to mailing lists. I am not your slave.
You keep missing teh point plaese read again. (or do you expect people
that don't like using mail to call your celphone or PM you?)
The readers are welcome checking who involved was he thereafter
(Ok, Ok, don't
bother the answer is - he wasn't).
I cannot force people to become involved. More than 90% of the
members and
friends of Hamakor were not involved in w2l. There are many lazy
people.
Ram wanted to help but he didn't get the option to do so because you
couldn't and yet can't understand he doesn't use mail (despite the
wierd solution of givving him an address), accusing him of lazyness
is not even funny.
Does he have a physical disability using e-mail? What's the big
difference
between logging in to gmail, which is on the WWW and logging in to a
forum?
I don't like mail and so does others.
If you or he expects me to specifcally use a different forum to
contact him,
then excuse me I do not need his "help". It simply isn't worth it copying
each and every message to your forum instead of having him read it
himself.
I will not hire a person for the full-time job of copying messages to
your
forum, nor will I volunteer for this job.
Please visit Linmagazine once in a while to realise how far fetch this
paragraph is.
I am still not your or Ram's
slave.
Actualy I don't even want you as a slave.
And why do you think I expect you to do anything?! I only need your
approval and support as a board member. After all it was well clarified
time and again that the current board see its job as administrative work
only.
I didn't talk of W2L I talked of the web archives and I did advertise
JLCs W2L series on FOSS related sites (you might want to check which
club has its coming events on the events boards in Whatsup,
Linmagazine and IGLU, you may also check which club had ads in the
Tapuz and Nana forums prior to it's series opening and the
instaparty. BTW in Tapuz it was some tech forum that made my
announcment sticky and not the Linux forum)
So, you took care of your own interests, when you could have invested
exactly the same amount of effort to advance the W2L series for all clubs.
No I couldn't because you choose to address CS-students and such that
look for linux on google. This is not the audiance I was advertising for.
It seems that you are more interested in your own personal success than
advancing free software in Israel. Way to go!
Well... the W2L site does not link to the JLCs W2L dedicated site but we
link to yours.
The general W2L site is ugly and unappealing to the JLC target audiance
(non geeks, non cs-students, non linuxers wannabe, just the avarage
unsetisfied PC user), I pointed this few times but some people seem to
like ugly "informative" websites. I accepet their stand and wish them
good luck.
Moreover the general W2L was not updated long after the JLC published
its schedule and untill pretty short time before the series actualy started.
All in all I believe our site was much better then the general one and
it's too bad you choose not to link it (AFAIK Ram was willing to make
the general site look better but his offers were rejected).
I thinks visitors of the general W2L site could and yet may get a very
wrong impression about Linux due to look and content of the site.
The web archives are not "my interest" - its Hamakors interest and as
you stated some posts ago you are by far a great supporter of it.
I put ads on things I'm involved in but I wouldn't steal your credit buy
You mean you wanted to push your own actions but didn't want to give
any
publicity to things others are doing, and didn't want to give me any
credit.
Did you ask me to help you with PR?
advertising the web archives my self and to be true I realy didn't
undersatnd why you didn't ad it
I do not and cannot go and put ads in forums which I have no access
to for
every small step I take. Ads either cost money, or require the person or
orginization running the site to support running the ad. I think it's
silly
creating graphics and running an ad campaign for a small technical change
that no one is interested in.
Are we talking a post to whatsup, linmagazine, tapuz, nana and so or
some high exposure-multimedia-long running-cross country-campeign?
but addopting Hamakor spirit I favored waiting to be addressed then
initiating a move.
No, that's YOUR spirit. I did so many things for Hamakor that it's not
even funny. I spend more than 4 hours per day on Hamakor matters. You
didn't
"advertise" the archives because either you are lazy, or you don't really
think you can convice forum managers to put a graphic that says "Hamakor
mailing lists now archived on the web".
And BTW I'm too not a slave, and it feels good :)
Then stop treating others that way.
Did I ask you to do anything?! (other then updating the W2L site)
Maybe you asked me and was rejected?!
Alon
Dotan
