On Saturday 03 December 2005 02:09, Alon Altman wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Adir Abraham wrote:
> > On 12/3/05, Alon Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> OK, so what site do we link to in our cross-country advertising
> >> efforts like on Google and in ICON, or you think we need to buy four
> >> different ads on Google and have four stands at ICON because the clubs
> >> can't cooperate between themselves?
> >
> > You think that the clubs should/must cooperate between themselves. I say
> > that each site should take care of itself, and there should be one
> > "central unit" which its purpose is to sync between the clubs, by
> > checking:
> >
> > 1) What are every clubs' needs.
> > 2) Where lecturers are needed.
> > 3) Financial support for all kinds of problems and ideas.
> >
> > Each club should talk to ONE central unit which is in charge to collect
> > all this information and mungle it to something useful, if possible. This
> > central unit shouldn't bother each club but can advice (not force) each
> > club what to do, according to the central unit's priorities and
> > resources.
> >
> > You can't expect each club to broadcast its needs all around, hoping that
> > each club will listen and take care of the rest. This kind of sharing is
> > nice when we're talking about file-sharing, but not about real-life
> > events
> >
> > :) Each club, after all, is unique and should act like an autonomy. The
> > : TA
> >
> > crowd is not the Jerusalem crowd, is not Haifa's crowd, etc. If we get to
> > the fact that the central unit forces the clubs to do what he asks them
> > to do, or in other words, it gets to demanding - the central unit is not
> > doing something right, and we miss the beauty of each club. The simplest
> > example is the general w2l site. This should give short info about the
> > events and should link to the CLUBS sites. Each club should take care of
> > its event site, and this way we're all satisfied:
> > 1) each club took care of its own autonomy
> > 2) the central unit did very little work and can work with the pointer
> > and not with the clubs themselves
> >
> > If you want to help as a central unit, you actually should act like a
> > matching and sync unit, and not as a brute-force communist unit. In other
> > words I say that if this is not possible to let each club do its way and
> > get one unit to sync between the events, we should let each club take
> > care of itself, and a unit like Hamakor can help at a FCFS basis. Nobody
> > said that you have to run after the clubs and give each club a seperate
> > advertisment, etc.
>
> Why build FOUR different sites, each mantained by different people
> investing their precious time instead of building ONE site for all envents.
> There is no tailoring of the series to the geographical location. The
> different lectures which require a lot of duplicate effort are a result of
> lack of coordination between the clubs.
>
> I am a big fan of refactoring. That is, reduce the total amount of
> effort by doing common tasks only once. If we have a site that links to the
> clubs' sites, then people from Haifa would see a site in English and with
> only one future lecture, people from Jeruslaem will have to navigate a
> different site, and people from Tel Aviv will see no site at all. Not to
> mention the fact that it will look very unprofessional (and degrades
> usability) that changing a geographic location changes the entire design
> and navigation of the site.
>
I second that. I still think that it is a good idea to have one central site,
with one central advertising, and one central coordination. There were
several problems this year but they weren't inherent to us having a central
site. We can certainly have a central site and still get along with one
another.
While a lot of the organisation of the individual series depends on each club,
there are still some resources that a central site and organisation is good
for. If we have a central site we can advertise it on Google, etc.
I believe a lot of the flame-war now has been due to Dotan's stubborness, and
his non-sensical utterances about E-mail, Ram, the old site etc.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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