Marco - I don't mind if you're hard on us mystics, I'd just
appreciate it if you got our viewpoint right.
Marco wrote: > The mystic believes that "there is *no* future, ie,
that the concept of future is illusory". So he prays for the
children.
The children will not be saved..... :-(
Maybe there are some mystics that feel that way, but most of the
"mystics" I know don't. I believe that our beliefs and thoughts are
crucial to the solution, but that they are paired with human work
as well. I don't think you'll find anything in mystic teachings that
state that mystics believe what you imply.
mystically yours
Shalom
David Lind
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marco wrote:
> Hi Andrea
>
>
> here is my reading of the story you suggest:
>
> > A very good but poor man spends his life to collect a large
amount
> > of money, and then with the money he funds a children
hospital in Africa....
>
> Given that we all agree that it is good to save childrens...
>
> The SOMish follows the "linear reasoning (past-present-future
sequence, cause-effect chains, and so on)" . According to this
vision, he has to learn to forecast the future and the cause-effect
chains. ONLY a posteriori he will know if his acts are good. No
need for a direct involvement: once the cause-effect chain is
clear, everyone will be able to achieve the goal. The active
subject (the man who has to save the children) , and the passive
object (the children to be saved) are separated. If the goal will
not be attained, probably that's because there has been a
problem in the analysis of the cause-effect chain. :-|
>
> The mystic believes that "there is *no* future, ie, that the
concept of future is illusory". So he prays for the children. The
children will not be saved..... :-(
>
> The MOQish is NOT mystic. He does not think that the future is
illusion, he just think that in order to attain (a future) Quality,
one
has to be an artist in the present (remember the motorcycle
maintenance). His "goal" is neither the hospital, nor the money.
The GOOD is his goal, and, that's extremely important, he never
feels to be separated from his goal. So, those children are like
his kids. The very good immediate value is that he has to care
for children, HERE and NOW. He highly considers money
collection, building hospitals as possible good means (roads
to), well knowing that there's always a better road. Anyway, he
will be able to make them fruitful BOTH the dynamic immediate
perception of Quality that leads to creativity, AND the aware
ability to forecast and consolidate results, that leads to the static
latch. BOTH DYNAMIC AND STATIC. :-)
>
>
> sorry if I've been a little hard to the mystics....
>
> Marco.
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