Hi Jonathan, Elephant, All:
> ELEPHANT:
> Yes, and my 'slant' on that, if you please, is that patterns of value, being
> patterns of SQ, are patterns of *confered* value: complexes of judgements.
> You do recognise don't you, that a pattern of DQ is a 'contradiction in
> terms'? Since after all DQ being continuous can't be divided into any
> threads to be woven and patterned together.
JONATHAN:
> I am glad to concur on that, but we need to take it a stage further:
> SUBJECTS are also patterns of value.
>
> Since Elephant wants us to deny the property awareness to objects like atoms
> BECAUSE they are patterns, the same reasoning should apply to subjects, in
> short, to the whole of SQ.
> Once we do this, awareness ceases to exist. I regard this as a step back to
> the world of absolute determinism.
>
> My own understanding of the MoQ is that there is nothing absolute about the
> subject dichotomy. Subjects are also objects to the entity that does the
> conferring of value.
> Thus, the division of patterns between objects and subjects is relative.
> For example, one might for the sake of argument regard Elephants opinion of
> Shakespeare as subjective, but since he has given it to us in e-mail ("...I
> care less for Bill ..."), I can state objectively that Elephant does not
> particularly care for the bard.
Both Elephant and Jonathan seem to agree that value (quality, morality) is
something conferred. By whom? Jonathan says by entities. It's always
been my interpretation of the MOQ that values are inherent in static
subjects and objects, that is, they exist independently of anyone or
anything conferring values on them. In other words, subjects and
objects are patterns of value in, of and by themselves without anyone
needing to think of or label them as such. Am I mistaken? Or have I run
into another *as if* conundrum?
Platt
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