Platt -
I can't speak for Elephant, but if I'm enlightened, someone forgot to tell
me about it. My opinion is based on what I have read outside of the MOQ -
it is a subject that interests me greatly, but I have no personal experience
to draw from. There are probably hundreds of descriptions of what it means,
as well as a lot of personal intuition; my definition basically comes from
Buddhist literature.
By the way, thank you for the link to the boundary institute - very
interesting.
marty j
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Hi Marty, Elephant, All:
> Elephant said:
> It is true that in so far as we transcend personality we cease to have
> distinct *goals*, private fantasies, self-serving histories e.g... But a
> man who has transcended personality and become both enlightened and
> compassionate (for the two are one) does not thereby destroy the
> individuation of his consciousness. It is *his* consciousness which is
> enlightened, it is *he* who is compassionate, it is *other souls* to whom
he
> is compassionate. Do you follow?
>
Marty:
> Me: First of all, I don't see enlightenment and compassion as the
same
> thing; I see it as enlightenment LEADING TO compassion, for once you see
> reality as it is, compassion is the only thing that makes sense.
> I don't see it as "his' compassion or 'his' enlightenment, it is simply
> compassion and enlightenment. Where is the 'his'? If I help someone who
> needs it, the help I give is dynamic quality. I may try to describe it
and
> call it 'compassion', but the act itself is simply dynamic quality in
> action. I don't see the 'he' behind it, other than the static image.
There
> is only the experience, the quality itself. So I guess I don't follow.
Am I to assume that both you gentlemen have been enlightened and
thus can claim from personal experience of the relationship between
enlightenment and compassion? Or, is the relationship something you
have gleaned from the testimony of others? I do not find it in the MOQ.
Platt
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