And those folks that equate doing their own things with flying by the seat of their pants aren't going to do much better with scripted programs.
Lori On 2/22/09 4:34 PM, "Renee" <phoenix...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Lori, > > I agree with everything you've said. I just don't think that "because > teachers might do their own thing" is a good reason to buy a scripted > program. I have no problem with following grade level curriculum, AND > like the freedom of doing certain things my own way within those > parameters. And, I will also admit to following the occasional > "teachable moment" that is not related to my particular grade level > curriculum, and I think it is important to grab on to those moments > without fretting about "losing time" or.... worse.... "wasting" time. > > Renee > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ljackson wrote: > >> Thoughts...generally, I agree but I believe that districts must strive >> to >> set meaningful parameters for teachers to work within. The notion of >> 'dong >> your own thing' is so singly teacher dependent that when you cannot >> guarantee the integrity and commitment of the teacher, it can be very >> dangerous. I base this on my experience with a few who equate flying >> by the >> seat of their pants with doing their own thing. >> >> Lori >> >> >> On 2/22/09 11:51 AM, "Renee" <phoenix...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>> 1. Why can a piano student not learn to play "the right way" using a >>> Beatles tune? >>> >>> 2. There is no THE right way to teach. >>> >>> 3. Some teachers' "own thing" is far, far more effective, meaningful, >>> interesting, and motivating than a scripted lesson that purports to be >>> "the right thing." >>> >>> Renee >>> >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Debbie Goodis wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I had to jump in here. My two cents. I used to take piano as a child. >>>> I would go to my lessons and then come back home, practice for 5 >>>> minutes and proceed to "do my own thing." My father would scold me >>>> and >>>> say, "Learn to play the right way, then you can play anyway you >>>> want!" >>>> I knew what he meant. I was complaining that I had to play, Fur >>>> Elise, >>>> or some other classical piece when all I wanted to play was Joni >>>> Mitchell or The Beatles. He wanted me to learn HOW TO PLAY, get that >>>> foundation, and then move on to making my own music. He was >>>> right...it >>>> was a good foundation. I think the same goes for scripts. I used to >>>> hate them, too, but I understand why the powers that be think they >>>> are >>>> necessary. Too many teachers are doing "their own thing," when they >>>> should be aware of research about good teaching. Scripts make sure we >>>> "learn to teach the right way" so that we can then incorporate those >>>> techniques and make them our own. I am a thinking teacher like all of >>>> you and when I am observed I am never using "the script" but I >>>> always >>>> get compliments on how well the students are engaged and thinking. No >>>> one has ever corrected the words I used during a lesson. We use a >>>> scripted program, but like all of you, I learned more from Lucy >>>> Calkins and Debbie Miller. I mostly use the "scripts" from those >>>> experts and like I said, I've never been corrected. With all that >>>> said, I know there are principals who wouldn't like anything other >>>> than the script being used during a lesson. That is unfortunate, and >>>> it tells me that those individuals are NOT thinking either! Hope that >>>> helps.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: "teach2h...@aol.com" <teach2h...@aol.com> >>>> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:59:15 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] scripts and thinking >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 2/20/2009 12:23:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>>> mosaic-requ...@literacyworkshop.org writes: >>>> >>>> think scripts have a place for some teachers especially if >>>> >>>> Just food for thought:) Did any of us in our journey through >>>> learning >>>> how to >>>> teach comprehension strategies and transforming our classrooms into >>>> literate >>>> rich communities ever use "Debbie Millers script"? "Did you say over >>>> and over >>>> again "So, how did that help you as a reader?" so many times that you >>>> felt it >>>> was a recording? Possibly, but I bet you moved on to even deeper >>>> conversation. You moved on with your readers and where they were in >>>> their journey. I >>>> sure did use those scripts and sometimes still do. . . especially >>>> when something >>>> is still new to me. But, I am a thinking teacher and appreciate >>>> Debbie and >>>> Lucy's words as a model and use them until they become comfortable >>>> and >>>> become my own versions. . . until I am able to move past them and >>>> mold my own >>>> words according to the readers I am with and their needs. Thank you >>>> so much Lucy >>>> for giving me the "think about reading worker script I love to use! >>>> Thank you >>>> so much to the "Learning Pad" site that has some wonderful scripting. >>>> I did >>>> not think of any of these great ideas, but used the ideas to aide my >>>> own >>>> understanding and thinking. Do we not provide scripts for our own >>>> readers in our >>>> classroom as we model conversations in reader's share each day? >>>> Eventually, >>>> they are asking these same questions of others and more importantly >>>> of >>>> themselves when they think about their thinking. "Scripts" can have >>>> their place in >>>> learning. Starting with a script of some sort doesn't mean one is >>>> going to rely >>>> on them always but is just using it as a jumping point. Some may not >>>> ever need >>>> them, some may. Just my thoughts. >>>> >>>> Cynthia Hart >>>> Lexington >>>> **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. >>>> (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search? >>>> query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mosaic mailing list >>>> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ >>>> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >>>> >>>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mosaic mailing list >>>> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ >>>> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >>>> >>>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >>>> >>>> >>> "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make." >>> ~ John Lennon / Paul McCartney ~ Carry That Weight >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ >>> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >>> >> >> -- >> Lori Jackson >> District Literacy Coach & Mentor >> Todd County School District >> Box 87 >> Mission SD 57555 >> >> http:www.tcsdk12.org >> ph. 605.856.2211 >> >> >> Literacies for All Summer Institute >> July 17-20. 2008 >> Tucson, Arizona >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ >> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >> >> > > "When you learn, teach. When you get, give." > ~ Maya Angelou > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > -- Lori Jackson District Literacy Coach & Mentor Todd County School District Box 87 Mission SD 57555 http:www.tcsdk12.org ph. 605.856.2211 Literacies for All Summer Institute July 17-20. 2008 Tucson, Arizona _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
